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mezzo -> morao...old falseta and new haircut (Jan. 19 2011 11:47:21)

what i can say. Maybe just ole!

notice at 0:30 sec he played the pulgar falseta uploaded by Ricardo...he knows his classics.






Ricardo -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Jan. 19 2011 12:10:57)

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notice at 0:30 sec he played the pulgar falseta uploaded by Ricardo...


[:D] Funny coincidence. Actually it is different but the ending is the exact same.




Andy Culpepper -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Jan. 19 2011 12:11:58)

Oleee!
Hey is there any chance he's been listening to Myrddin?? I've never heard that opening falseta before but it bears a certain resemblance to Myrddin's "#1 hit" melody





Ricardo -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Jan. 19 2011 12:18:50)

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Oleee!
Hey is there any chance he's been listening to Myrddin?? I've never heard that opening falseta before


Uh, NO chance.[8|] That is a very old falseta of Javier Molina. Diego del gastor plays a slow clear version on youtube somewhere, and on norman's site he has an analysis of it I think under siguiriyas falsetas or pulgar falsetas I can't remember now.




Andy Culpepper -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Jan. 19 2011 12:32:00)

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Uh, NO chance.


haha, you never know

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That is a very old falseta of Javier Molina.


cool! I like it.




mezzo -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Jan. 19 2011 12:42:49)

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Actually it is different but the ending is the exact same.

indeed when i heard all those notes i wasn't sure, but just for the chromatic ending [:)]

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cool! I like it.

http://www.canteytoque.es/sigsamp.htm#jmolina




Andy Culpepper -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Jan. 19 2011 12:54:07)

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http://www.canteytoque.es/sigsamp.htm#jmolina


whoa. ahead of it's time. I gotta learn that one.




gounaro -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Jan. 19 2011 14:19:28)

I really need to learn that Terremoto falseta at 00:58 [:D]




devilhand -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Nov. 22 2021 18:14:48)

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ORIGINAL: mezzo

what i can say. Maybe just ole!

notice at 0:30 sec he played the pulgar falseta uploaded by Ricardo...he knows his classics.




I think this one sounds better to me. At 2:34-2:45 with a crazy ending.





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Ricardo -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Mar. 30 2022 12:10:59)

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=212527&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=morao%2Csiguiriyas&tmode=&smode=&s=#212719




Erik van Goch -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Mar. 30 2022 15:15:55)

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ORIGINAL: Andy Culpepper

Oleee!
Hey is there any chance he's been listening to Myrddin?? I've never heard that opening falseta before but it bears a certain resemblance to Myrddin's "#1 hit" melody




Although I fail to spot the resemblance myself i suppose by "opening falseta" you mean the one Moraito plays during the first 30 seconds of OP's video. Actually Moraito learned that falseta as a kid from the only guitar teacher around (who shared it with all newbies so a whole generation of locals grew up with that falseta). Moraito himself cherished it as a treasure.

As far as Myrddin is concerned, he sure as hell listened to Bach (1:55 :-).




kitarist -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Mar. 30 2022 20:10:13)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

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Oleee!
Hey is there any chance he's been listening to Myrddin?? I've never heard that opening falseta before


Uh, NO chance.[8|] That is a very old falseta of Javier Molina. Diego del gastor plays a slow clear version on youtube somewhere, and on norman's site he has an analysis of it I think under siguiriyas falsetas or pulgar falsetas I can't remember now.


Fascinating. Besides this one, how many of Javier Molina's falsetas are preserved today (i.e. with reasonably proven lineage) and where can we hear them?




Ricardo -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Apr. 1 2022 12:01:58)

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ORIGINAL: kitarist

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

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Oleee!
Hey is there any chance he's been listening to Myrddin?? I've never heard that opening falseta before


Uh, NO chance.[8|] That is a very old falseta of Javier Molina. Diego del gastor plays a slow clear version on youtube somewhere, and on norman's site he has an analysis of it I think under siguiriyas falsetas or pulgar falsetas I can't remember now.


Fascinating. Besides this one, how many of Javier Molina's falsetas are preserved today (i.e. with reasonably proven lineage) and where can we hear them?


The belief is Manuel Morao, Rafael Aguila, and their students preserve the style of Javier Molina (Jerez style). The students would be Manuel Parrilla, Paco Cepero, Moraito, Gerardo Nuñez, etc. I was surprised when I noticed Diego del Gastor using it, so it is hard to say who might retain the most authentic versions of the Molina’s falsetas….My guess would be Manuel Morao.




kitarist -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Apr. 1 2022 20:05:33)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: kitarist

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

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Oleee!
Hey is there any chance he's been listening to Myrddin?? I've never heard that opening falseta before


Uh, NO chance.[8|] That is a very old falseta of Javier Molina. Diego del gastor plays a slow clear version on youtube somewhere, and on norman's site he has an analysis of it I think under siguiriyas falsetas or pulgar falsetas I can't remember now.


Fascinating. Besides this one, how many of Javier Molina's falsetas are preserved today (i.e. with reasonably proven lineage) and where can we hear them?


The belief is Manuel Morao, Rafael Aguila, and their students preserve the style of Javier Molina (Jerez style). The students would be Manuel Parrilla, Paco Cepero, Moraito, Gerardo Nuñez, etc. I was surprised when I noticed Diego del Gastor using it, so it is hard to say who might retain the most authentic versions of the Molina’s falsetas….My guess would be Manuel Morao.


Thanks, Ricardo; it's all stuff I love, so I guess I intuitively gravitate towards the Jerez style [:)] But no one has tried yet to catalogue distinct falsetas, though; you kinda just have to know which one was passed down through generations?




Richard Jernigan -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Apr. 1 2022 22:00:19)

Javier Molina owned a tablao for a while. Both Niño Ricardo and Manolo de Huelva worked for him. I have heard recordings of Manolo playing alegrias falsetas that I learned from Niño Ricardo LPs.

Common influence from Javier? Swapping falsetas? Just stuff that was going around, like the St. Louis Tickle was among steel string ¨folk¨ players in the earlly 60s?

¿Quien sabe?

RNJ




devilhand -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Apr. 2 2022 13:27:57)

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My guess would be Manuel Morao.

How about Felix de Utrera? He plays similar falseta at 0:15-0:27. He's the same age as M. Morao. As far as I know there is a local style Lebrija/Utrera.



The Madrid school (Ramon Montoya) differs also from the school of Jerez. At 2:41 what R. Montoya plays sounds similar to personalized pulgar index technique of M. Morao.



Does it mean everyone copied each other no matter which school?




Ricardo -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Apr. 2 2022 16:23:05)

We have some recordings:



He used reverse combio at 1:26 just like Ramon…so this was already standard practice. Manuel Morao picked that up and used it always for por medio. Famous siguiriyas below with flicking fingers rasgueados etc:



The other siguiriyas:




kitarist -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Apr. 2 2022 18:18:29)

Awesome, thanks; I should have looked for these myself!




kitarist -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Apr. 2 2022 18:24:06)

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Javier Molina owned a tablao for a while. Both Niño Ricardo and Manolo de Huelva worked for him. I have heard recordings of Manolo playing alegrias falsetas that I learned from Niño Ricardo LPs.


Thanks, Richard!




devilhand -> RE: morao...old falseta and new haircut (Apr. 4 2022 20:43:50)

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Awesome, thanks; I should have looked for these myself!

Claude Worms wrote a good article about the school of Jerez on his website in french.

http://flamencoweb.fr/spip.php?article148&lang=fr

To trace the origin of the Jerez style:

Maestro Patiño -> Paco el Barbero -> Javier Molina -> Manuel Morao -> ...

J. Molina learnt from Antonio Sol as well. Antonio Sol was a student of Maestro Patiño. He was a rising star back then. One year older than J. Molina
If he hadn't died so young, we aficionados could have talked more about A. Sol instead of J. Molina.

More about Antonio Sol

https://manuelbohorquez.com/la-gazapera-flamenca/sobre-el-guitarrista-antonio-sol/




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