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sean65 -> €330,000 a year is not enough. (Dec. 8 2010 10:50:40)

Last weekend the spanish air traffic controllers walked out on an 'unofficial' strike causing absolute chaos in Spanish air space.

Turns out that the reason they walked out is because the government has frozen any pay increases as part of the Spanish austerity measures.

All air traffic towers are now under military guard to physically prevent controllers walking out again and the ones that did walk out could face 8 years in prison.

These stories of greed never cease to amaze me. €330,000 a year isn't good enough or was it a principle?

Throw them all in prison for being such d*ckheads.



Arash -> RE: €330,000 a year is not enough. (Dec. 8 2010 13:01:57)

I think the goverment cut the money down to 200.000 (which is 40% less than what they got before 330.000 Euro) + the intention to privatize + new calculation of working hours and extra hours.

I think that was too much for them.

Anyway, they belong to top earners in Spain.
But if someone cuts down your salary by 50%, you get angry. Thats normal.

And if you have power like them (Toursim), you easily misuse it.



gbv1158 -> RE: €330,000 a year is not enough. (Dec. 8 2010 13:26:31)

I sincerely believe that in Europe, over € 35.000 per year, every euro more is taken away from those who really need it. Who complains of 200.000 € in a situation of crisis where we are and so unemployment, is worth going to jail.



XXX -> RE: €330,000 a year is not enough. (Dec. 8 2010 15:06:21)

A good lesson on how our society works: you can force somebody to work.



gbv1158 -> RE: €330,000 a year is not enough. (Dec. 8 2010 15:54:23)

Deniz,
true...., no one has to be forced to work ....... but protesting to earn more than € 200.000 a year is insulting to all workers who earn a tenth of that ... perhaps risking their lives at work.
Is has not been right to force tham back to work, they should have been all fired!.

ciao
Giambattista



xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: €330,000 a year is not enough. (Dec. 8 2010 17:03:33)

as a former candidate to become an air traffic controller, i agree with all of you except that firing them is not a solution since the qualities required to become one means only a select few can go through a lengthy and expensive training process...their wage is not a problem due to the nature of the work and related stress, but they should know best that once you're near the top of the pyramid, it's not a good idea to grab the spotlight and risk the masses' wrath...there have been strikes before and there will be, but usually they're announced beforhand and do not last long...it's the way they did this that's outrageous and they've cost a lot of prestige loss for the whole profession as a result...



XXX -> RE: €330,000 a year is not enough. (Dec. 8 2010 17:10:44)

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ORIGINAL: gbv1158

true...., no one has to be forced to work ....... but protesting to earn more than € 200.000 a year is insulting to all workers who earn a tenth of that ... perhaps risking their lives at work.


Obviously they run the risk of getting into jail, so of course they are forced...

And why do you mention traffic controllers insulting anybody? I dont think their work is so unimportant or that they earn so much that it becomes insulting. What about people earning 100 times more than a traffic controller? Besides its very low to claim that only because there are people earning less, then other people should earn less too. You will always find somebody earning less than another doing a work that might be not as pretty or easy as his. We could go on with this until we work for free...



sean65 -> RE: €330,000 a year is not enough. (Dec. 8 2010 17:29:19)

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as a former candidate to become an air traffic controller, i agree with all of you except that firing them is not a solution since the qualities required to become one means only a select few can go through a lengthy and expensive training process...their wage is not a problem due to the nature of the work and related stress, but they should know best that once you're near the top of the pyramid, it's not a good idea to grab the spotlight and risk the masses' wrath...there have been strikes before and there will be, but usually they're announced beforhand and do not last long...it's the way they did this that's outrageous and they've cost a lot of prestige loss for the whole profession as a result...


You're right, they do train hard and work hard. I was teaching English to a guy who was trying to get through his exams.

Even still, they have to give notice to strike.

I'm guessing that much off the money they get paid is to keep the skies safe but the temptation to allow the odd plane or two, carrying obnoxious drunk german and english p*heads, to crash must be unbearable, so they pay them extra.[;)]



Doitsujin -> RE: €330,000 a year is not enough. (Dec. 8 2010 17:43:52)

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€330,000 a year is not enough.


Depends on the country.



gbv1158 -> RE: €330,000 a year is not enough. (Dec. 8 2010 17:59:57)

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What about people earning 100 times more than a traffic controller?


Obviously I have spoken of air traffic controllers, but the problem is the same with all who averagely earn a lot of money.
Of course I have great respect for the work of air traffic controllers as well as to everyone who has a job of great responsibility and stress, but I think stress and responsability are caracteristics of so many types of jobs........it is difficolt to "mesure" this two caracteristics... for exemple, what about the job of a chief fireman? . I belive, some time we should look at reality through the eyes of those who earn less, perhaps it would help, do't you think so?

ciao



xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: €330,000 a year is not enough. (Dec. 8 2010 18:39:48)

i think making comparisons is not wise in this case - ATC are directly responsible for life, if they screw up seriously, several hundred people could die in an instant due to no outside circumstance...

if you must draw comparisons you'd be better off with say premiership footballers, some of whom get this sum weekly and are often drunk and rapists and who knows what...



sean65 -> RE: €330,000 a year is not enough. (Dec. 8 2010 20:30:11)

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Depends on the country.


Very true.

It would be a very good salary in some countries and an extraordinarily good salary in most countries.



gbv1158 -> RE: €330,000 a year is not enough. (Dec. 8 2010 20:55:26)

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i think making comparisons is not wise in this case


You may be righ........ but SURE there is an unfair balance in the salaries.

ciao



Doitsujin -> RE: €330,000 a year is not enough. (Dec. 8 2010 21:39:00)

It also depends on the wife you keep.[8D]



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