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fevictor -> Arpeggio practice combinations (Oct. 15 2010 20:33:17)

Ever since the arpeggios are evil thread I have been spending a lot of time practicing arpeggios. I have been trying to practice as many different patterns as possible, and I have to say that I am extremely happy with my progress. I am actually a bit of a technique freak and have no problem sitting for hours practicing this stuff. The biggest improvement that I have seen doing this is that my right hand has become much more stable and solid, and that in turn has improved the sound quality of my playing as well movement.

Anyway, I have written out below what I am practicing working on now and wonder if anyone else has any other patterns that they might want to share. Oh and this has also helped my out my tremolo too!

PIMA
PIAM

PMIA
PMAI

PAMI
PAIM

PIMAMI

PIA
PAI

PMA
PAM

PI(MA) - play MA together
P(MA)I

P(IM)A
PA(IM)

Vic




rombsix -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Oct. 15 2010 21:15:01)

PAMI repeated twice there, mate. That P(IM)A and PA(IM) is a killer! Olé!




fevictor -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Oct. 15 2010 21:23:59)

oops, you're right. I just fixed that Ramzi, thanks. Yeah, playing the (IM) and (AM) is a bit tricky. I just started practicing it because its part of an Alegria from JM that Im learning.




Pawo -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Oct. 15 2010 21:25:35)

I'm too working a lot with arpeggios. I find the Giuliani 120 Right Hand Arpeggio Studies useful as arranged in 'Pumping Nylon' book. Although some of the patterns sound very 'classical' and maybe not useful for flamenco, I practice them all with thumb rest stroke and all in all find it a good workout.



Cheers

Dave




fevictor -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Oct. 16 2010 3:13:18)

quote:

I'm too working a lot with arpeggios. I find the Giuliani 120 Right Hand Arpeggio Studies useful as arranged in 'Pumping Nylon' book. Although some of the patterns sound very 'classical' and maybe not useful for flamenco, I practice them all with thumb rest stroke and all in all find it a good workout.


Can you give some examples? Is there anything different than what I have posted? Thanks!

Vic




Guest -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Oct. 16 2010 4:41:19)

quote:

I practice them all with thumb rest stroke and all in all find it a good workout.

way to go
good to put different chords with the guiliani on the left hand
like Bb to A7b9...etc...gives it a flamenco flavour
also the Carlevaro exercises are great to work with...offers a syncopated bass unlike the guilianni
eg

amim {ie p and a together}
p

imam
p

then variations

mima
p p

can place rest stroke on p as well as a or any other combinations depending



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Pawo -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Oct. 16 2010 11:17:30)

Ok Vic here's a few

maim ipip (an example of a 'classical' sounding pattern with ip played on same string)

pia pim

pamami

(pi)ma

(pa)mi

(pm)ia

brackets means played together

I try to use thumb rest strokes and full plants as much as possible (apart from descending ami where I find sequential planting easier)...find it helps me develop finger independence.

You can imagine cos there are I20 patterns almost every conceivable permutation is covered.

I think it's best you take a look yourself...do a google search and and you will probably find a PDF version of the studies to download.

Guilianni just uses I - V (C to G) chords but as ALVal said in his post you can use different chord sequences as you please.


Thanks ALVal for posting that example of Carlevaro...this is new to me and looks interesting..... will definitely look at these studies

Cheers

Dave




fevictor -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Oct. 17 2010 20:04:51)

Thanks AlVal and Dave. Ill give those a try and see how they work out. Lots of material now, that's what I wanted!




Elie -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Oct. 17 2010 20:18:22)

Hello mate,
a good exercise is playing these like the following :
p-i-m ||| p-m-a ||| p-m-i ||| p-a-m
p-i-a ||| p-a-i they're not hard but fun.



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felipe -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Oct. 19 2010 14:39:33)

Hi.

Some of my stuff:

1.

-----------0---0---0---------
-----0---0---0---0---0---0---
---0---0---------------0---0-
-----------------------------
-----------------------------
-0---------------------------
p i m i m a m a m a m i m i


2.

-----------0---------
-------0-------0-----
---0---------------0-
---------------------
---------------------
-0---0---0---0---0---
p i p m p a p m p i


3.

-----------------------0---0---0---------------------
-----------------0---0---0---0---0---0---------------
-----------0---0---0---------------0---0---0---------
-----0---0---0---------------------------0---0---0---
---0---0---------------------------------------0---0-
-0---------------------------------------------------
p i m i m a i m a i m a m a m a m i a m i a m i m i



4. A bit of sweep arpegios, but with fingers:

---------3-7-3-------
-------5-------5-----
-----4-----------4---
---5---------------5-
-7-------------------
---------------------
p i m a m i m a m i




devilhand -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Jul. 19 2020 14:27:52)

What M. Sanlucar is doing in this video at 1:50-2:05 caught my attention. Does anyone know which technique it is? Or is it a normal arpeggio pattern without ring finger involvement?





Ricardo -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Jul. 19 2020 18:47:32)

quote:

ORIGINAL: devilhand

What M. Sanlucar is doing in this video at 1:50-2:05 caught my attention. Does anyone know which technique it is? Or is it a normal arpeggio pattern without ring finger involvement?




Mainly a sort of two melodic note per bass Note picado, where thumb is apoyando and fingers are tirando. I often use the famous Bach Borree in Em to demonstrate to experienced classical players entering the Flamenco universe, some of the technique differences. Borree also works nice for the opposite technique where fingers are apoyando and bass notes tirando. The character of the music changes drastically.




devilhand -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Jul. 21 2020 20:11:17)

quote:

Mainly a sort of two melodic note per bass Note picado, where thumb is apoyando and fingers are tirando. I often use the famous Bach Borree in Em to demonstrate to experienced classical players entering the Flamenco universe, some of the technique differences. Borree also works nice for the opposite technique where fingers are apoyando and bass notes tirando. The character of the music changes drastically.

Do you have video showing your Bach demonstration?




Ricardo -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Jul. 21 2020 20:37:56)

quote:

ORIGINAL: devilhand

quote:

Mainly a sort of two melodic note per bass Note picado, where thumb is apoyando and fingers are tirando. I often use the famous Bach Borree in Em to demonstrate to experienced classical players entering the Flamenco universe, some of the technique differences. Borree also works nice for the opposite technique where fingers are apoyando and bass notes tirando. The character of the music changes drastically.

Do you have video showing your Bach demonstration?


No. I can make one of course. I’m looking forward to the disparaging comments and down thumbs for another blasphemous Bach interpretation. 😂😜

Honestly I was kind of surprised by comments I have received for my crazy Bach things.




TonyGonzales84 -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Jul. 21 2020 21:09:03)

Ricardo,

With all due respect to him (and I did like and admire his playing, and his taking on the challenge of that monstrous guitar), Narciso Yepes does not post here![;)]

Tony




Ricardo -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Jul. 24 2020 5:02:27)

quote:

ORIGINAL: devilhand

quote:

Mainly a sort of two melodic note per bass Note picado, where thumb is apoyando and fingers are tirando. I often use the famous Bach Borree in Em to demonstrate to experienced classical players entering the Flamenco universe, some of the technique differences. Borree also works nice for the opposite technique where fingers are apoyando and bass notes tirando. The character of the music changes drastically.

Do you have video showing your Bach demonstration?






chester -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Jul. 24 2020 5:25:46)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: devilhand

quote:

Mainly a sort of two melodic note per bass Note picado, where thumb is apoyando and fingers are tirando. I often use the famous Bach Borree in Em to demonstrate to experienced classical players entering the Flamenco universe, some of the technique differences. Borree also works nice for the opposite technique where fingers are apoyando and bass notes tirando. The character of the music changes drastically.

Do you have video showing your Bach demonstration?





Sounds good dude!




devilhand -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Jul. 25 2020 13:38:22)

A good comparison. Bach would prefer the flamenco version.
Looks like the way your i and m pluck the string in the 1st and 3rd version is the same. But both sound different. Or did you just pluck stronger in the 3rd version?




Ricardo -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Jul. 25 2020 17:00:18)

They are the same, however with the thumb resting you feel some resistance and a better grip on the strings, so the sound projects stronger.




JasonM -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Jul. 25 2020 20:36:34)

quote:

Honestly I was kind of surprised by comments I have received for my crazy Bach things


What? Where? I didn’t see any under the YouTube video. In any case, people need to wash the sand out of their crotches




Ricardo -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Jul. 26 2020 17:51:31)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JasonM

quote:

Honestly I was kind of surprised by comments I have received for my crazy Bach things


What? Where? I didn’t see any under the YouTube video. In any case, people need to wash the sand out of their crotches


I meant “surprised they weren’t all bad”. [8D]




devilhand -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Jul. 28 2020 17:08:11)

Talking about Bach Borree in Em, I find this Bach Beethoven Mozart compilation hilarious.

https://youtu.be/mXjNATmIruI




devilhand -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Sep. 23 2021 19:16:49)

The idea of studying and practicing all possible arpeggio patterns is crazy. There must be a few patterns that are used more frequently than the rest. So I ask you guys what are the most frequently used arpegio patterns in traditional flamenco? Thanks for the input.




Mark2 -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Sep. 23 2021 21:43:00)

PIMA
PAMI
PIMAMI

I think these are the most common, but VA does some crazy ones, as do many other players.

I'm studying PMI these days and realized I am pretty weak at it. Working on some Pepe Habichuela solea falsetas that need it. I'm doing planting exercises to reduce movement and increase speed, power, and accuracy.




Ricardo -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Sep. 24 2021 14:04:14)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark2

PIMA
PAMI
PIMAMI

I think these are the most common, but VA does some crazy ones, as do many other players.



Those three are the essential ones, plus amiamiami repeating over top of simultaneous bass notes. Tomatito demos a falseta that teaches that on his Encuentro video. An important one to add is the horquilla hair pin arpegio that is p am i repeating. Niño ricardo used that one a lot.




kitarist -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Sep. 24 2021 19:39:11)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark2

PIMA
PAMI
PIMAMI

I think these are the most common, but VA does some crazy ones, as do many other players.



Those three are the essential ones, plus amiamiami repeating over top of simultaneous bass notes. Tomatito demos a falseta that teaches that on his Encuentro video. An important one to add is the horquilla hair pin arpegio that is p am i repeating. Niño ricardo used that one a lot.


One other horquilla arpeggio - p m i - also seems to occur frequently so I'd add it to the list as well; or is there an argument why it shouldn't be on it? EDIT: Mark2 already mentioned it above.




devilhand -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Sep. 25 2021 16:54:09)

quote:

I'm studying PMI these days and realized I am pretty weak at it. Working on some Pepe Habichuela solea falsetas that need it.

Do you mean this pmi at 2:09-2:15? This pmi pattern already caught my attention. In another thread I even asked which Habichuela it was.
Do you play pmi only on 3 treble strings as shown in this video or it can be used on any strings?





devilhand -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Sep. 25 2021 17:01:51)

quote:

amiamiami repeating over top of simultaneous bass notes. Tomatito demos a falseta that teaches that on his Encuentro video.

Thanks for this hint. I'll take a look at it.

quote:

An important one to add is the horquilla hair pin arpegio that is p am i repeating.

Any youtube videos showing that p am i pattern?




Piwin -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Sep. 25 2021 17:43:39)

quote:

Any youtube videos showing that p am i pattern?




around 0:20



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devilhand -> RE: Arpeggio practice combinations (Sep. 26 2021 15:17:30)

Thanks Piwin. I really have to master this too. I'm concerned my arpeggio is getting superior to other techniques. I hope it will have a positive effect on my tremolo. What I noticed was my tremolo gets smoother and faster right after my picado practice. I guess it's because of I and M that are exposed to alternating fast runs.




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