WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron

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kozz -> WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 7 2010 10:06:20)
Does anyone know who those to guys are? They are having so much joy when playing, I like that. Its from this buleria: Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Estevan -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 7 2010 12:03:06)
The Amador brothers (Pata Negra). Yes that's a very nice scene.

NormanKliman -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 7 2010 12:19:08)
Argh, Estevan beat me to it as I was typing this: Man, there's a bunch of people at that party. The guitarists are Pata Negra: the brothers Raimundo and Rafael Amador. Others are Fernanda de Utrera, Paco Valdepeñas, and maybe Pepa de Utrera and Juana la del Revuelo. The two women sitting closest to Camarón are Aurora Vargas and Carmelilla Montoya (look at the cante starting at 5:46 and their reaction as it ends at about 6:05). Joselero is there, too. At 5:02, the excellent and seldom recorded Cádiz bulería "Pásame el Estrecho." La Perla and Rancapino have great versions (more info here: http://www.foroflamenco.com/printable.asp?m=135542&mpage=1). At 7:59 a famous zambra of Manolo Caracol.

edguerin -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 7 2010 16:50:04)
link doesn't work [&:]

NormanKliman -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 7 2010 17:35:12)
That's odd, a working link comes up if you Google this: obispa rancapino estrecho. Oh well, this link should work: http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=135542&mpage=1&p=3&tmode=1&smode=1&key=

Ron.M -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 7 2010 20:20:50)
quote: They are having so much joy when playing, I like that. Yeah...but not nearly as good as these cañoroto boys who have got MUCH more facility with the rhythm and ways of expressing the compás..[:D] cheers, Ron

kozz -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 8 2010 5:28:37)
Thanks guys! Pata Negra sounds familiar, will do some research on those ones. For me this is the best buleria I ever heard. The way camaron keeps the tention and keeps it even a few compases longer, and keeps the volume down and than explode. I love the dynamics in it. Gracias amigos! EDIT: Is this somewhere available on DVD? EDIT2: I got sent a link to two albums of Pata Negra. What happend to them? Jazz, blues... [:'(] I'll stick by this video that they are great and pretent I've never heard their albums.

Estevan -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 8 2010 13:51:08)
quote: Is this somewhere available on DVD? Yes it is, but I don't have the info here at the moment. I'll look it up later (or maybe Norman will get there first [:D]) quote: I got sent a link to two albums of Pata Negra. Ooh, that's lucky [;)] quote: What happend to them? Jazz, blues... They tried to combine 'blues' with flamenco (you can hear a little in the film with Camarón). At that time in Spain (the years after the death of Franco and the transition to democracy) there was a lot of experimentation and many people were excited about that kind of music. It seemed like a good idea at the time...now, not so much! [8D] Now one of them (Raimundo) just plays electric guitar, Spanish style blues...the other one (Rafael) still appears i the background of other people's albums. Their younger brother Diego plays flamenco piano. What you hear in the film is the best thing I've heard from them; but there must be other recordings where they play like this...?

kozz -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 8 2010 14:18:15)
Thanks for the info Estevan! Never thought about that people in that period indeed were expermenting with other forms, and that flamenco as we know it nowadays just has survived (for obvious reasons [:D]) From Diego Amador I actually liked a few songs from his albums, apart from the cheesy ones [:D] Perfect if you can let me know from which DVD it is, thanks!

Ricardo -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 8 2010 20:25:32)
It's from a 6 part documentary I believe called "El Angel".

Estevan -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 10 2010 19:13:33)
quote: It's from a 6 part documentary I believe called "El Angel". That's it! Vol.2: El Angel: Musical Flamenco. Vol. 2: Las Fronteras del Flamenco (DVD)

kozz -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 10 2010 20:54:22)
quote: It's from a 6 part documentary I believe called "El Angel". Many thanks guys! Looks its gonna be a flamenco-world-experience again [:D]

NormanKliman -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 11 2010 11:26:15)
I remember a few other episodes, at least I think they're part of the same documentary. In one of them, there's a bunch of people sitting and eating a lot of food that had been prepared for them (I think it's the first part of Kozz's party video). If I remember right, there's at least a few minutes of images of them eating while other people watch, as if it were part of the show. In another episode, they cook and eat a pig in the country and there's an image of one of the Pata Negra guys trying to play the guitar with the (black) hoof of the slaughtered pig. The Amador brothers wouldn't be the same without those white socks.[:D]

Estevan -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 11 2010 18:47:41)
Hey Kozz, here they are again - and one of them borrowed Ron's jacket (for that MacMenco vibe [;)] )

Estevan -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 11 2010 18:49:05)
...and again, with the lovely Lole:

Ron.M -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 11 2010 19:04:18)
quote: and one of them borrowed Ron's jacket (for that MacMenco vibe Nah...I bet he stole that out of the Bay City Rollers band room..[:D] You gotta watch them Flamenco Gitanos... cheers, Ron

NormanKliman -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 11 2010 20:13:34)
In the Lole video: 0:24: cool "pentatonic" falseta. 2:10: another interesting variation of a Manuel Morao (the uncle) falseta. Periquín Jero, Pepe Morao and others have variations, too.

kozz -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 12 2010 9:04:44)
WOOOOW, thanks! What happens with people when the get older...the don't listen to their uncles anymore? Those guys are really great!

Andrew -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 14 2010 13:40:55)
Hi Norman, do you have tab for that pentatonic falseta? cheers

NormanKliman -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Sep. 15 2010 9:24:28)
Hi Andrew, quote: do you have tab for that pentatonic falseta? Sorry, I don't. It doesn't look that hard, if you're interested in learning it. If you're already trying and are having problems let me know and I'll have a look.

Andrew -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Nov. 5 2010 21:16:13)
Thanks Norman, pretty much got it. What I'm not sure about is what chords the second guitar is playing - any idea?

NormanKliman -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Nov. 6 2010 10:07:17)
Can't really tell, but they might be barred G minor and C7 chords: ---3-----1----- ---3-----1----- ---3-----3----- ---5-----2----- ---5-----1----- ---3-----3-----

Manitas de Lata -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Dec. 22 2023 19:32:26)
enjoy

Estevan -> RE: WHo are those two guys in buleria with camaron (Dec. 24 2023 5:55:13)
Well that was pretty funny - I saw the heading on the index page and wondered who the two guys might be, and then saw all the answers and info here, thirteen years later - quite the little blast from the past.[;)] Of course the film in question is now on Yutú. The party starts at about 15:40, and Camarón appears at 23:16.

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