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Pimientito -> Help me identify this blanca please (Aug. 22 2010 13:32:36)
I recently found this guitar which I picked up very cheap. It plays really well and sounds great. The thing is it needs a great deal of repair. Its got some cracks and needs refinishing and Im wondering how much to spend on her. The biggest problem is she has lost her label and I haven't got a dental mirror to look under the top for a makers stamp.... so a prize of a second hand set of strings will be awarded to anyone who can help me identify this instrument. First clue is the rossette. It doesnt look like a stock design and Im pretty sure its hand inlayed. You can see the individual blocks that make the 6 pointed figure and it looks like a custom job. Anyone seen this before? Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

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Pimientito -> RE: Help me identify this blanca please (Aug. 22 2010 13:36:25)
I've blown up the detail here Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Pimientito -> RE: Help me identify this blanca please (Aug. 22 2010 13:38:20)
Next clue is the headstock, nice rosewood veneer but I don't recognise the shape. Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Pimientito -> RE: Help me identify this blanca please (Aug. 22 2010 13:40:56)
Third clue is the heel. Its a mahogany neck with a 5 part heel block capped with a piece of rosewood. Here is the exterior. Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Pimientito -> RE: Help me identify this blanca please (Aug. 22 2010 13:43:28)
And here is the interior. It doesn't have that slipper shape and I'm pretty sure from the tone and construction that this isn't a Granada instrument now....although I will happily be proved wrong :) Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Pimientito -> RE: Help me identify this blanca please (Aug. 22 2010 13:45:46)
The body is a beautiful piece of cyprus. This guitar has very heavily used and has been bashed about quite a lot but it must have been expensive new. Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Pimientito -> RE: Help me identify this blanca please (Aug. 22 2010 13:52:54)
Finally the spruce top...as I say its been heavily used and badly repaired. Parts of the guitar look like they have been touched up with a pot of varnish. I want to get those golpe plates off, repair the cracks, sand down the neck, re laquer the whole instrument and set it up. It does sound and play well So I would consider doing that if it was a worthwhile instrument. Anyone who knows what this is or has similar looking headstock or rosette photos, I would love to hear from you. Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

gj Michelob -> RE: Help me identify this blanca please (Aug. 22 2010 15:09:37)
Nice find. The Rosette speaks of consummate craftsmanship, regardless of your ability to affiliate the guitar with a famous name. The feel of the headstock (although in your find is not as sharp, but curved rather) and of the rosette (but not identical) immediately brought to mind, Marcelino Lopez. I remember one of his guitars well, because I was considering it the first time a visited GSI in LA; I held it in my hands at length and studied it very carefully. Its sound was beautifully hollow, purely resonant of aged wood. Here are a few. However, it could very well be a copy of a Lopez or Santos, in the same fashion Vazquez Rubio or Kenny Hill replicated the “Reyes” model. The Rosette is nearly identical to the Spanish Master’s design and the headstock retraces nearly all elements of the complex Reyes. Marcelino Lopez http://www.classicguitar.com/61Lopez277_lg.html Marcelino Lpez http://www.guitarsalon.com/product.php?productid=279 Marcelino Lpez http://www.guitarsalon.com/product.php?productid=277 Marcelino Lpez http://www.denverfolklore.com/instrument_photos/Marcelino_Lopez_photos.htm Note: According to Lopez himself, he was asked by Hernandez in 1971 to build a guitar for him, who was very pleased with it and ordered more and more. After some time Hernandez asked Lopez to build an exact copy of his own guitar (the original Hernandez y Aguado guitar) which is what he did after quite some time of examining this guitar. Hernandez was extremely pleased with it. From 1971 until Hernandez died, Lopez built 30 guitars for him. This guitar is a copy of that Hernandez y Aguado model Marcelino Lopez built for Hernandez, therefore the stamp inside: H A. http://members.tripod.com/music_treasures/acguit.htm ------------ a few other sharing certain traits in the headstock, but i a much sharper version: Santos Hernandez http://www.guitarsalon.com/product.php?productid=601 Barbero http://www.guitarsalon.com/product.php?productid=549 Manuel de la Chica http://www.guitarsalon.com/product.php?productid=555

Pimientito -> RE: Help me identify this blanca please (Aug. 22 2010 16:24:52)
Thanks for the input gj. The soundhole does remind me of Lopez on the website (posted below) I stuck my hand inside to get an idea of the bracing. There is a double brace under the finger board. The first just under the rosette which you can see in the photo and the second a couple of inches behind it. The body has a 5 strut fan bracing under the top. There is a small crack under the transparent golpeador and the wood under the white golpeador appears (by feel) to be intact....certainly no holes. The guitar was obviously dropped at some point and the right side portion has a couple of ugly cracks badly repaired. There is a hairline crack on the left body portion that appears stable. I agree that regardless of the maker this is a good guitar but I think I would need to spend at least 500 euros getting it back to her her former splendour. (300 for repairs and another couple of hundred for finishing) Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Pimientito -> RE: Help me identify this blanca please (Aug. 23 2010 12:27:48)
Ok...I think I know what it is now. The polyeurethane laquer on the body dates the guitar to the 70's so its around 35 years old. I think its Valencian....maybe an old Sanchis primera??

Andy Culpepper -> RE: Help me identify this blanca please (Aug. 23 2010 12:41:16)
Not sure why but my gut is telling me Valencia..something about the rosette. There is almost "too much" going on, not typical of Andalusian makers' rosettes IMO. Also the shape of the foot suggests that it might be a dovetail joint (as in separate neck and body construction)

beno -> RE: Help me identify this blanca please (Aug. 23 2010 12:54:49)
I've seen similar headstock shape on some rodriguez: http://www.classicguitar.com/90Rodriguez_lg.html altough not exactly the same.... That top looks very dark for a spruce or is it coloured in any way???

ngiorgio -> RE: Help me identify this blanca please (Aug. 23 2010 16:16:58)
The top appears to be cedar. Inexpensive machines. The dovetail joined neck to body isn't common in guitars produced in Spain. Perhaps a 1970's vintage Estudio model from a Valencia factory.

buleria74 -> RE: Help me identify this blanca please (Aug. 31 2010 20:55:46)
I believe it was made in Cordoba.

keith -> RE: Help me identify this blanca please (Sep. 4 2010 1:33:01)
buleria 74--why do you think it was built in cordoba?

Pimientito -> RE: Help me identify this blanca please (Sep. 12 2010 9:38:41)
I am curious too...why Cordoba?

Ricardo -> RE: Help me identify this blanca please (Sep. 12 2010 14:48:25)
first guess was student guitar built in valencia for manuel rodriguez and sons.

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