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Reinhart -> What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 19 2010 8:28:56)

I know flamenco is not all about speed ect. . . but I'm just curious to see what speed you guys can play at with the metronome. 16th notes would be the best indication if you dont mind?
16th notes = Mine is on 146 BPM and my goal is 180 Bpm for now.



XXX -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 19 2010 14:18:17)

400 bpm.
in quarters.



rombsix -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 19 2010 14:18:31)

140 - 150 BPM. Much faster on shorter runs.



Doitsujin -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 19 2010 14:47:21)

Because long picadoruns are almost "out of fashion" its not important for me. :.) I also use much 3 finger picado or ligado for runs because my i,a and i,m picado doesnt work so good. But 180bpm is no problem with my techniques if the run is not too long.

Anyway, the goal should always be to become a "round" guitarist. That means that you get all techniques to the same level. I dont know you, so I wont argue about you but I know many people who have fast picado down but all the rest as well as playing compas is lacking. Thats not the right way I think.



Reinhart -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 19 2010 14:59:55)

Yea its just for interest sake, nothing to debate about. Denis thats probly 400 beats per month? :P



Elie -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 19 2010 15:06:39)

let me get this straight mmmm ... how to measure the speed exactly ?
do you mean you can play 16th notes per click of metronome at speed 146bpm or wat ?[:D]
tell me so i can measure mine [8D]



Reinhart -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 19 2010 15:26:24)

hmm well yes, when you play any major scale or run, every 5th note you hit should be on the beat. or is it every 4th note? seems to me every 5th note is on the click. . .



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stratos13 -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 19 2010 15:47:50)

How do you measure it?

Playing a single note?
Playing a specific scale up and down?
Playing notes on different strings say 8th fret on 2nd string and 6th fret on 1st string?



Reinhart -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 19 2010 16:03:32)

Play any major scale up or down. . . I guess that will give you a rough estimate. Again im just curious to see what speeds you guys have reached over the years ect. . . nothing to be exact just a rough estimate please.



Pgh_flamenco -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 19 2010 16:22:40)

quote:

If you are doing 16th notes, it would be 4 notes per click. But yeah every 5th note is the click in reality. 16th notes are grouped into 4 though. You basically have to get the 4 notes in before the click.


If you’re playing four notes per beat the options are:

Click, 2, 3, 4
1, click, 3, 4
1, 2, click, 4
1, 2, 3, click

At least this is how I always used a metronome.



mezzo -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 19 2010 16:31:16)

On chromatic scale i can play 16th clean around 105 bpm.

for a scale (example the last long scale of the Juan Martin farruca) i can play it cleanly around 95 bpm if i remember well [8D]

i'm not bip bip the road runner[:D]



Elie -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 19 2010 18:17:50)

ok I just finished doing some experiments
with 4 notes per click and the 5th note on click
I could achieve 145 Bpm using i-m
and 155 Bpm using i-a
weird [:(] I always practice scales with i-m and still my i-a is faster .



Reinhart -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 19 2010 18:54:17)

Haha thats weird, I dont practice much with i-a. I know its good to train all the fingers though.



Elie -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 19 2010 20:29:41)

quote:

Haha thats weird,

well you know lol its funny and surprising at the same time .[;)]
but over all mm I really wanna thank you because I quit workin with metronome for long time .. and I just realized that its a big mistake so the metronome will be beside me all the time now .
thank you mate [:D]



Reinhart -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 19 2010 20:58:26)

Hahaha no problem :)
What I find interesting in my experience with a metronome is that sometimes I dont practice with it for about a month and then when I come back to it my speed increased each time. But obviously in that time I still worked on doing fast runs ect. . .



at_leo_87 -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 19 2010 21:31:49)

what are you guys talking about every 5 beats? 16th notes are 4 notes per beat.

1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4

anyways, i haven't tested my top speed in awhile. i actually recently started from scratch because every time i sped up towards my top speed, my picado got weaker, less punchier, less accurate etc. so it didnt count for me.

im currently practicing IM scales at 125, 16ths. IA at 105, 16ths. MA at 150, 8ths.
im practicing a couple of alegrias 1 compas runs at 145.



Reinhart -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 20 2010 6:56:42)

Leo that tip you gave me boosted my picado dramaticly! thanks again :)
(when practicing picado staccato helped kept my i-m fingers close by and very economical.)



Elie -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 20 2010 7:35:05)

quote:

What I find interesting in my experience with a metronome is that sometimes I dont practice with it for about a month and then when I come back to it my speed increased each time. But obviously in that time I still worked on doing fast runs ect.

wow thats interesting i'll give it a try :) .
quote:


what are you guys talking about every 5 beats? 16th notes are 4 notes per beat.
1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4

yea this is exactly what I was doing and what Reinhart told me to do
=>referring to each click/beat of the metronome as X
---------------------------------------------------------
1------>5
______1------>5
X_____X_____X_____X_____X_____X
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
---------------------------------------------------------
the first click is on the first note .. take a look at the next click it is on the first note of the second quarters but the 5th note of the first quarters
so that what the guys meant by clicking on every 5 beats
while actually we're doing 4 notes per click



kozz -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 20 2010 7:43:40)

4/4 1/16 90bpm



Reinhart -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 20 2010 10:21:25)

quote:

DarkElieDraven
thanks for clearing that out DarkElieDraven can get abit confusing when trying to explain it.



Ricardo -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 20 2010 18:58:01)

depends on the run. On a good day 180. Short bursts in compas up to 200 and beyond, again depends on the sequence of notes. Some tough runs are hard for me even at 160-170. All depends on the sequence and for how long. I used to work a lot on triplet runs with a pick so I can go faster with 6's then with 4's or 8's for that reason. When improvising on rumba I can do some 6's runs at 120-130 again depends on the duration and sequence.



BarkellWH -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 24 2010 1:47:04)

quote:

I know flamenco is not all about speed ect. .


You are absolutely correct, flamenco is not all about speed. In fact, the whole striving to reach ever faster BPMs is faintly ridiculous and a waste of time. It is the equivalent of a juggler in a circus sideshow, mildly amusing, but so what?!

As long as it is in compas, a slower soleares can be one of the most beautiful musical pieces one can experience. And the same goes for the dance it accompanies. Why so many believe that one must play as fast as possible is a mystery to me. It represents the triumph of gimmickry over true artistry.

Cheers,

Bill



at_leo_87 -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 24 2010 2:15:48)

quote:

You are absolutely correct, flamenco is not all about speed. In fact, the whole striving to reach ever faster BPMs is faintly ridiculous and a waste of time. It is the equivalent of a juggler in a circus sideshow, mildly amusing, but so what?!

As long as it is in compas, a slower soleares can be one of the most beautiful musical pieces one can experience. And the same goes for the dance it accompanies. Why so many believe that one must play as fast as possible is a mystery to me. It represents the triumph of gimmickry over true artistry.

Cheers,

Bill


it's not about achieving the fastest picado. but you should strive to improve your technique. one of the best to test your abilities is increasing speed while maintaining control and tone.

from a beginner's standpoint, you would have to increase your speed of any technique to play at all. so what's the difference between a beginner learning a 16th note run at solea speed and an intermediate player learning a 16th note run at alegrias speed?

what's stopping that intermediate player from increasing his picado speed so that when he performs at concert speed, he is confident and under absolute control?

you can only play what your technique is capable of. so not improving your technique would be severely limiting.



HemeolaMan -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 24 2010 3:53:14)

230 in 16ths..........lol maybe a year ago. Blasé



BarkellWH -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 24 2010 10:47:19)

quote:

it's not about achieving the fastest picado. but you should strive to improve your technique. one of the best to test your abilities is increasing speed while maintaining control and tone.


You are correct as far as the above quote goes. Up to a certain point, increasing speed (while maintaining control) is good. Many beginning (and intermediate) players, however, seem to think that in flamenco, faster is always better. Not so, say I. In my opinion, beyond a certain point it just becomes, as I stated, "the triumph of gimmickry over true artistry." My opinion only, of course.

Cheers,

Bill



Ricardo -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 24 2010 18:38:06)

quote:

ORIGINAL: HemeolaMan

230 in 16ths..........lol maybe a year ago. Blasé


Wow you are faster then PDL man! He bottoms out around 214 or so from live footage I have seen. Congrats!



HemeolaMan -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 24 2010 18:59:45)

yep, i cheat though. I use a cuisinart [;)]



at_leo_87 -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 24 2010 21:13:10)

quote:

You are correct as far as the above quote goes. Up to a certain point, increasing speed (while maintaining control) is good. Many beginning (and intermediate) players, however, seem to think that in flamenco, faster is always better. Not so, say I. In my opinion, beyond a certain point it just becomes, as I stated, "the triumph of gimmickry over true artistry." My opinion only, of course.


the only reason why i think beginners and intermediates obsess about speed is because they see the potential for new doors to open.

it only becomes a problem when speed is put first, and everything else becomes sloppy, imo.

but so far, i haven't seen any uploads of fast players here who also lacked musicality. i haven't seen any examples of "triumph of gimmickry over true artistry."




Reinhart -> RE: What is your metronome picado speed at? (Aug. 24 2010 21:27:41)

Yea the main reason why I stated in my first post that Flamenco is not about speed and that im only curious to see where the average flamenco player picado speed levels are is not to be going into to much talk about why going fast and stuff like that. . .

If u wanna play fast then go for it, everybodies tastes are different and changes overtime. But I was only curious and thanks alot for most of the replies really appreciate it

Oh and Leo that video was lame haha :D



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