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Neotriz -> Carlos Saura--Tomatito's Bulerias (Aug. 15 2010 23:37:55)

Hi guys

I was wondering what beat Tomatito starts in this video (4:05):



I can't figure it out!



xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: Carlos Saura--Tomatito's Bulerias (Aug. 15 2010 23:54:36)

he starts on 9,5 :)



KMMI77 -> RE: Carlos Saura--Tomatito's Bulerias (Aug. 16 2010 8:12:05)

I think it's important to note that they are all trying to get in time with each other at the start. Nobody is perfect, and jumping inside of fast palmas perfectly in time is not easy, even for tomatito.

Look for another version of him playing the same falseta at a slower tempo to get the feel of it. IMO this video is not the best one to learn that falseta. It is a little bit wobbly at the start and would be very confusing to learn from.



henrym3483 -> RE: Carlos Saura--Tomatito's Bulerias (Aug. 16 2010 11:46:40)

here is the falseta

http://www.moderntoque.com/pages/image000.html



mark indigo -> RE: Carlos Saura--Tomatito's Bulerias (Aug. 16 2010 21:06:37)

i think he plays the same falseta on the Duquende & Tomatito cd



i haven't listened to it for ages, but i think it's one of the bulerias on there

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Ricardo -> RE: Carlos Saura--Tomatito's Bulerias (Aug. 20 2010 18:34:53)

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ORIGINAL: KMMI77

I think it's important to note that they are all trying to get in time with each other at the start. Nobody is perfect, and jumping inside of fast palmas perfectly in time is not easy, even for tomatito.

Look for another version of him playing the same falseta at a slower tempo to get the feel of it. IMO this video is not the best one to learn that falseta. It is a little bit wobbly at the start and would be very confusing to learn from.


Wobbly my butt. That is tight as ****. They are all right on. Problem is the video is not synched up perfect, but the palmas and guitar are locked in from the first note.

Also the feeling is in 6's so you can say the start is after 9 (or before 10 is more appropriate if you feel it that way cuz 10 is and emphasis), OR you can say it starts after 3 as the palmas accent that beat as well in the 6's pattern. Feeling it both ways is a good idea for practice.


Ricardo



KMMI77 -> RE: Carlos Saura--Tomatito's Bulerias (Aug. 20 2010 21:06:39)

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Wobbly my butt. That is tight as ****. They are all right on. Problem is the video is not synched up perfect, but the palmas and guitar are locked in from the first note.


This type of falseta is kind of floaty within the rhythm so of coarse you can try to exactly reproduce what tomatito plays here and it would be fine. My point is that i have heard tomatito play this falseta with a tighter, more defined pulse in some other recordings. This particular take of the falseta doesn't define it as well IMO, To my ear anyway. Perhaps wobbly was the wrong choice of word. Sorry Ricardo



Jim Opfer -> RE: Carlos Saura--Tomatito's Bulerias (Aug. 21 2010 11:47:22)

I like the grit sound of Duquende to listen to rather than the screach sound of Potito but I understand that in Gypsy circles, Potito is ranked very highly and Duquende is not.
Does anyone know anything about this?



Ricardo -> RE: Carlos Saura--Tomatito's Bulerias (Aug. 21 2010 15:34:42)

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ORIGINAL: Jim Opfer

I like the grit sound of Duquende to listen to rather than the screach sound of Potito but I understand that in Gypsy circles, Potito is ranked very highly and Duquende is not.
Does anyone know anything about this?


No, both are high regarded IMO and experience. Potito has more his own style at least por bulerias, where as Duquende more of a copy of camaron. Both are considered Camaroneros however. One thing to keep in mind, Potito is andaluz and Duquende is from Barcelona.

About tomatito having "floating" rhythm, I dont' agree. His falseta is highly sophisticated and synchopated, but I don't think you can get tighter then what he does in that movie. But we can argue about this forever, so let me just say he plays the same falseta in the Encuentro vid intro that you can see is exact the same. I think it is actually more clear to learn against palmas then the table knocking, but either way he is very tight with the compas.

Ricardo



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