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Miguel de Maria -> swing thoughts (Aug. 13 2003 15:09:36)

A few weeks ago, I posted asking for desperate help with my left hand. Having worked on my right hand for a year or so, I suddenly realized that my left hand was lagging behind and holding me back. Tom and Florian helpefully posted some exercises and advice. Well, I think I am making some progress.

I once was crazy about golf, and golfers have a funny thing called swing thoughts. Like, one, might be "keep your head down" when you swing (this prevents you from coming up and throwing off your axis of rotation), another is "look at the dime sitting underneath your ball" (which accomplishes the same thing). Another might be, "pretend you're holding a bird in your hands" (to prevent you from holding the club too hard). I'm always searching for "swing thoughts" for playing.


So there are a few I've found that are working for me. For the left hand, I've got this one, "stick to the fingerboard." When I'm playing barres or other complicated configurations, I like to feel that my fingers, instead of gripping the fingerboard, are stuck to it, plastered to it, or even an 1/8" under the surface. This seems to help me make the contact, maintain the pressure, without using too much force and tension.

Another handy one is "think the chord change." My changes were really sloppy, but I realized that I wasn't letting my hand/mind complex do its work freely. If, a split second before I change chords, I imagine my fingers in the second position, they will naturally, very accurately move. This works a lot better than micromanaging each finger, or worrying that they will not get there in time.

In Spain, my teacher claimed there are two ways to play rasgueo, "empuzar", push, or "lanzar", shoot (I hope these translations are accurate). Shooting is basically throwing your fingers, perhaps flicking them, at the strings. You hit or strike them. Pushing involves making contact, then pushing through them. Paco Pena, and my teacher, teaches that the push is more controlled and a finer sound. I agree. So let your fingers touch the strings, then push!

Now picado is my true obsession. I have found, one, that almost everyone plays picado differently, one because everyone has a different physiological setup, two because there are more than twenty ways to skin a cat. What has worked well for me is a pulling motion. I like to feel my fingers slightly angled to the string, so that if I pull the string is pushed down into the soundboard. The longer the fingernail, the longer the pulling motion must be, the longer the string has to go to clear the nail. So I "pull fast."

Secondly, when playing quick scales you don't have time to think every motion. Quick scales require a sensation of "pulsing." If you do a drumroll on the table with your fingertips, you can get an idea of the sensation that I feel when playing quick scales. Prerequisites are, probably, playing many hours of scales slow, fast, medium, with dotted type rhthyms. Once you get this under your fingers, so to speak, you may eventually feel the pulse. There is no time to control the fingers, you just feel the beat, this "pulse" and hopefully your training will take over and a fast, controlled scale will result! This pulsing sensations works with both the left and the right hands, it almost feels the same.

While I'm on a roll here, some guys from Paco Penas school helped me with my thumb. At this crazy school, for the first two months you're only supposed to play with your thumb, nothng else. No picado, arpeggio, or rasgueo. You must drain all tension out of your thumb, it must be completely loose and relaxed. Place the thumb on the string. Using your arm (I use my wrist instead), push the thumb into the string. There is a way to push your thumb that uses its bone structure so that you can sound the note without having any muscular tension in the thumb. The thumb is asleep, you're just pushing it. Now do this awhile until it feels fairly normal. Weird, huh? I really like this way of playing though. I use my wrist for all the thumb strokes, and I get a deeper sound and have reduced a source of tension in my hand.




Bob Arbuckle -> RE: swing thoughts (Aug. 13 2003 18:21:57)

Hello Michael,

On the subject of Rasqueo...what are your thoughts on isolating the strings pushed/flicked?

At a recent group lesson a very accomplished guitarist advised NOT to try and push/flick all strings and to either select the bass or treble strings, and vary the selection. What are your thoughts?

BTW I tend to be a flick player, maybe because I play for a dance class and need the volume. The draw back is I find myself using only the amii fingers and most of the time I use pmp triplets.

You thoughts are appreciated.
Bob




TANúñez -> RE: swing thoughts (Aug. 13 2003 19:14:02)

Really great post Cho! Lot's a great information/tips. Hopefully there's no one here from the SPCA. The 20 ways to skin a cat phrase won't sit well with these folks.

You were so fortunate to get the opportunity to go to Spain and learn. Something that many of us here dream about doing. Did you take a lot of pictures? Maybe you can make a little photo diary and post them.size]




Miguel de Maria -> RE: swing thoughts (Aug. 13 2003 21:07:35)

Bob, I think this guy is correct. Simply from observing others, I have noticed that good guitarists aren't always jamming on all 6. I think a finer sound is accomplished, often by using strong bass rasgueo on accents, and just upstrokes on the treble (for one example). I also think that the little finger can be developed to be incredibly strong.

Tom, as for the photo diary, I didn't have a camera. Sorry...




TANúñez -> RE: swing thoughts (Aug. 13 2003 22:11:34)

WHAT! [:(] You go to Spain with no camera? That's as crazy as learning flamenco on a banjo.




Jerzy -> RE: swing thoughts (Aug. 14 2003 3:17:30)

Hi every body!!:
Sorry jumping very few times -nor say I think this is my first contribution- but you all know, things some times don't let you do but to just read little and then go.

Well, my thoughts about rasgueados, is funny, but my theory is, you shouldn't look for flicking or pushing the strings, is rahter a very gentle "pass by" over the strings, is like trying to acheive a soft touch over the strings, in spanish I would say "no aporrear las cuerdas de la guitarra" is like sayng "don't beat the strings"[:@] -I think- be gentle to them[:)], not just for rasgueados, it applies to every technic you use, I think that this is common in all kinds of playing.

Saludos a todos[;)]!!




Florian -> RE: swing thoughts (Aug. 14 2003 13:10:58)

Have i ever told you guys about my litlle practice device that i take to work with me everyday ?


is so cool is a litlle board with 6 nylon strings modeled exactly after my guitar it fits in my bag perfect and whenever is quite i practice on it anything for the right hand eg, rasgueados, picado, string crossing ( than when i get home i concentrate on my left hand ) not only is it good for practice but i also use it to warm up , on saturadys i work all day than i go straight to my gig ( u know how fustrating it is when u cant pickup the guitar before going to do a gig ) this litlle board has solved my problem.

My board is handmade but i think i have also seen stuff like it for sale on flamenco world and that one comes with a video.




Escribano -> RE: swing thoughts (Aug. 14 2003 16:23:17)

Yeah, I bought the "Guitar Mute" in Granada, as on sale on Flamenco World. Excellent idea, I use it for practising ras' particularly the triple ("abanico" or "fan").




Bob Arbuckle -> RE: swing thoughts (Aug. 14 2003 16:36:23)

Michael,

Another thing he showed me, was to use chords that leave the B and High E strings open during accompaniment. His logic was...if you add notes on these strings you clash with the melody, so leave them open as much as possible. He would move the capo to accomplish this. I would find myself often playing in a capo position different than his.

His name is Arturo Martinez, currently from NYC.

Bob




Florian -> RE: swing thoughts (Aug. 14 2003 17:13:17)

Simon what is the video for it like ??

and does it have a book too ?




Patrick -> RE: swing thoughts (Aug. 14 2003 19:36:25)

Michael,

One question. Do you play picado free or rest stroke?

Pat




Miguel de Maria -> RE: swing thoughts (Aug. 14 2003 19:56:34)

Patrick,
I play picado rest stroke, always. Now that you mention it, when I play arpeggios fast it is almost the same sensation. But when I play areggio (free stroke), I push in to the soundboard to get more volume...




Escribano -> RE: swing thoughts (Aug. 15 2003 8:15:15)

I dumped the video to carry back in my luggage and no book - just a small leaflet.




Miguel de Maria -> RE: swing thoughts (Aug. 15 2003 16:18:35)

Bob,
how weird, how did it sound? Maybe this is how we got our famous tarantas chords. I know that in jazz, they have so called "closed voicings", which are bass heavy and leave out, I believe, playing the high e and b strings altogether...




Florian -> RE: swing thoughts (Aug. 15 2003 17:58:31)

I dont understand Simon , what u sent the video with your luggage ?

i know you are in Spain right now do you live there permanently ? or where are you from, sorry if i completly confused everything up i remember reading once that u are in Spain.




Escribano -> RE: swing thoughts (Aug. 15 2003 19:30:49)

No, I am in the UK but bought the Guitar Pro in Granada and dumped the video to make room in my luggage for the return trip.




Florian -> RE: swing thoughts (Aug. 16 2003 3:10:25)

Ok i am with you now :)[8|]




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