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Ron.M -> RE: Grisha blows their minds in Texas (Jun. 29 2010 14:15:55)

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I let myself go on stage and listened to the magical way the guitar sounded in that hall. I let the energy take me places and took all the necessary chances. Maybe it did not show to the audience, but at least I know I was sincerely feeling each piece I performed that night.


Grisha,

I think some people, (especially guitarists) can become so hypnotised by witnessing dazzling virtuosity that THEY THEMSELVES switch off from the musicality or feeling of the piece.

(I know I've been guilty of that myself!)

I read that PdL suffered from this in his early days...that some audiences would switch off from Camaron's singing and Paco's "normal" playing in anticipation of some display of lightning picado...which annoyed them both.

Also in Spain I spoke to a few older Flamenco aficionados who didn't like his style..they thought it too "mechanical".

By the way....when will the results be announced?

cheers,

Ron




Ramon Amira -> RE: Grisha blows their minds in Texas (Jun. 29 2010 14:33:59)

Grisha –
You are a phenomenal virtuoso – who also plays with great feeling. And everyone who really understands flamenco knows that. If you are ever going to be performing in New York, please let me know. There are plenty of aficionados in New York who would love to see you.

Ramon




Adam -> RE: Grisha blows their minds in Texas (Jun. 29 2010 17:52:33)

1) Congrats Grisha!! Great review and I'm sure the concert was even better than the review makes it sound.

2) I don't know if this guy is a "flamenco aficionado" or not - in fact, I don't know what the qualifications to be an official flamenco aficionado are - but the last couple of paragraphs make it sound like he's got at least enough of a familiarity with flamenco to make him more qualified to write about it than the vast majority of American newspaper music critics, much less the other music staff at some random paper in Austin, TX. Should no paper write a review of a flamenco concert unless they have a certified aficionado on staff? I'd add (to a rapidly growing list of points) that someone who's more familiar with a related field - guitar in general, maybe classical guitar - is easily more qualified to review a flamenco concert than a random dude off the street, even if the review may still be missing something.

Ramon, out of curiosity, how would you have written this review? Bearing in mind that this guy had no incentive to put some comment about palos or rasgueo or whatever (which is what you've apparently been asking for) purely to signal to aficionados that he knows what he's talking about, what details about flamenco would you have put in which would have made this a more informative review for a flamenco neophyte? How would you have added a comment about his rasgueado or his interpretation of the palos or something without becoming boring and pedantic? It's possible, but very difficult - flamenco is much less accessible to a typical American than, say, classical piano - and for a general audience review I really don't think it's necessary. But I am quite curious how you, presumably as more of an expert, would have done what you're asking for, and in service of the review rather than of signaling to other aficionados.

3) Whether or not the reviewer is a certified aficionado, the following two sentences are awesome:

"The best flamenco guitarists express a potent blend of pathos and masculinity, a sort-of Spanish version of ‘man enough to cry.’ Paco exudes that quality, which is perhaps best exemplified in Flamenco singers, who sound like they’re rubbing their very souls with sandpaper during performances."




Doitsujin -> RE: Grisha blows their minds in Texas (Jun. 29 2010 18:20:54)

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Maybe it did not show to the audience, but at least I know I was sincerely feeling each piece I performed that night.


Russians and feelings.... X.D lol

Congratulations Grisha!! I´m just a little bit silly to the MAN! [;)] You´re amazing!




Ramon Amira -> RE: Grisha blows their minds in Texas (Jun. 29 2010 20:26:52)

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Ramon, out of curiosity, how would you have written this review?


Hi Ramparts –
That's a fair question. First –I would not consider that I was writing for, as Bill mentioned, "a small audience of flamenco aficionados," or, as you mentioned, "signaling to other aficionados." I always tried to comment on specific aspects of technique where that seemed appropriate, and then add a few explanatory words to help the neophyte understand a bit more about flamenco. For example, I recall in some of my reviews using the word "falsetas," followed immediately by parentheses (variations). I recall sentences something like a reference to rasgueado, followed by "a rapid strumming of the strings." That way both the aficionado and non understood what I was referring to.

With respect to individual palos, the number one obligation of the critic is to be specific. He must comment on the pieces that have been played. Otherwise you get, as I feel was the case here, a general review more or less to the effect that "he was good," etc. But how and where was he good? And why? He might have written something along these general lines – "His Soleares well revealed the deep melancholy of this form." Any lines to that general effect, and analogous lines referring to other palos, would be immediately understood by a neophyte, would help the reader understand why the critic thought the artist was good, and would be informative to the reader with respect to gaining a little insight into flamenco by learning the way that the various palos express emotion, and yet would not in any way be "signaling to aficionados."

Ramon




Florian -> RE: Grisha blows their minds in Texas (Jun. 30 2010 13:50:41)

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I let the energy take me places and took all the necessary chances


thats brilliant and very nice to hear amigo...then it dosent matter if this guy saw it or not...

and again minus one litlle line where hes trying to sound "experienced" or whatever its a brilliant and positive review...


minus that litlle line, he did a very good review for someone i assume outside flamenco...i have seen way worst...from people pretending to know way more




nacio -> RE: Grisha blows their minds in Texas (Jul. 6 2010 0:36:59)

it's always a pleasure to hear Grisha play!
wish i could have been there.
Congrats![:)]




a_arnold -> RE: Grisha blows their minds in Texas (Jul. 25 2010 2:33:30)

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I have an idea (as an additional guitar practicing method):

let's fall in love 12 times / year and get your heart broken each month,


Maybe we should have our hearts broken in March, June, August, October, and December. . . just to stay in compas. . .

Is it just me, or is this thread becoming a bit derivative?

Let's see: Grisha does a brilliant performance of someone else's (PdL and Sabicas') material. Then a critic criticizes Grisha's performance. Then a foro member criticizes the critic's criticism. Then foro members criticize that criticism. And then the foro critic criticizes the criticism of his criticism.

Hmm... does that mean I'm criticizing criticisms of a criticism of a criticism of an interpretation I didn't even hear?

Sorry. I don't mean to be critical.

Incidentally, Grisha had some of his own original material on the guest artist programme at the GFA -- something the "original critic" (if that's not an oxymoron) didn't mention. Unfortunately he didn't play it. But at least he is flirting with original composition now. I'm sure we all look forward to that. I can only imagine what GG would do if he wrote material that pushed him to his own technical limits.

I learned this from a friend (a classical guitarist who is learning a little flamenco from me) who competed at GFA (made the semi-semifinals) and had a beer with GG after his performance. For what it's worth, my friend didn't think Grisha was cold or overly technical. He just thinks Grisha is inhumanly good. And he means that in a good way.

But then, he isn't a critic.




Ramon Amira -> RE: Grisha blows their minds in Texas (Jul. 25 2010 3:19:14)

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Maybe we should have our hearts broken in March, June, August, October, and December. . . just to stay in compas. . .


That's really very funny, but if our heart is broken, we're more likely to be playing Siguiriyas, so that Soleares/Alegrias/Bulerias compas doesn't work. We have to get our hearts broken in January, March, May, August, and November. [:D]

Ramon




a_arnold -> RE: Grisha blows their minds in Texas (Jul. 25 2010 3:28:05)

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we're more likely to be playing Siguiriyas, so that Soleares/Alegrias/Bulerias compas doesn't work. We have to get out hearts broken in January, March, May, August, and November.


True, but then we couldn't argue about whether we SHOULD have had our hearts broken in July instead of June . . .[;)]




Ramon Amira -> RE: Grisha blows their minds in Texas (Jul. 25 2010 3:34:42)

Aha! I have a great idea. Just play only Granadinas, Malaguenas, and Tarantas, and then we'll NEVER get our hearts broken!

Ramon
[:D]




a_arnold -> RE: Grisha blows their minds in Texas (Jul. 25 2010 11:36:30)

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Just play only Granadinas, Malaguenas, and Tarantas, and then we'll NEVER get our hearts broken!

Or we'll get them broken at random . . . [:D]




Ramon Amira -> RE: Grisha blows their minds in Texas (Jul. 25 2010 19:17:23)

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Let's see: Grisha does a brilliant performance of someone else's (PdL and Sabicas') material. Then a critic criticizes Grisha's performance. Then a foro member criticizes the critic's criticism. Then foro members criticize that criticism. And then the foro critic criticizes the criticism of his criticism.

Hmm... does that mean I'm criticizing criticisms of a criticism of a criticism of an interpretation I didn't even hear?

Sorry. I don't mean to be critical.


I think this thread is in critical condition.

Ramon[:D]




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