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akatune -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (May 31 2010 2:59:50)

This is great info that I will use. I'll play a bit first, to relax myself and reassure myself that I can actually play. then the excercises. thank you.

Re: Wine. I have found it unreliable. In some instances it helps, other times it has ruined a performance. lately I play regularly at a Spanish restaurant to overcome stagefright. Now that I have become relaxed from playing there regularly I start with a "Turkish Coffee." It gets me fired up and relaxed. But I would never recommend it before playing on a stage or before something really serious.



bullo -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Dec. 9 2010 13:47:35)

Grisha! Thank you so much!!! I have a few questions if you don’t mind.
I've been trying to ‘invent’ these kind of exercises for years. And nothing really worked out. This is the main problem I have:
As happen with 'regular gym workout' there are different parameters to achieve different results. For example:

-Number of repetitions
-Speed of repetitions
-Force used in every repetition (same as weight used).

I find that when working out with my hands it is VERY easy to overdo it. First day feels great, but latter has a negative effect. So the idea here is to get Speed, Accuracy, and Dexterity of fine muscles, and not Volume, Weight and Mass (as weight lifters), correct?

So a vital question is How to work out here? You mention number of repetitions. But…do you use a lot of force? Do you do it until your muscles ‘burn’? Should we do it with NO force but many repetitions until muscles burn (because of number of reps., not because of force used).
I guess stretching is also vital. How hard to do it?

My GOAL: work out in a way that, from the muscles point of view, would be like playing guitar for hours. Only for muscles. I’m not trying to replace playing for workout. This HAS to be possible.
Ideas?

Thank you all!

Danny Bullo



mark indigo -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Dec. 9 2010 16:37:46)

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How to work out here? You mention number of repetitions. But…do you use a lot of force? Do you do it until your muscles ‘burn’? Should we do it with NO force but many repetitions until muscles burn (because of number of reps., not because of force used).


many people will disagree with this, mostly without really understanding it, and i'm not sure i could explain it myself, though i understood it when it was explained to me - the advice i was given for any kind of physical training or development was "low weight, low reps, perfect form"



Doitsujin -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Dec. 9 2010 17:19:31)

To be honest. Grishas hand-warmup is something u dont need IMO. This video is of course a very nice demonstration of Grishas lower arm muscles in shade light. hmm. ..I felt a little bit weird while watching that..

Well,.. at least I never do such things but also get warm hands in the winter. But the people are different.. so I see no problem there for others. Just try it.



cRobson12 -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Dec. 9 2010 23:10:00)

This has helped me so much, it usually takes me about an hour to warm up... Doing this for 5 minutes made me feel amazing even when I first picked up my guitar



Ailsa -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Dec. 10 2010 7:22:03)

I'm so glad someone found this again - I missed it first time round, and it's really useful. I do quite a few student performance evenings, and you can't warm up because other people are performing so it would be just plain rude!

I can't drink alcohol before I play either or my fingers go to mush!!

quote:

ORIGINAL: Grisha
there is absolutely no need to apologize for anything at all, I don't dwell on such things

That's very wise Grisha. I've seen people be really upset by comments on youtube and the like, and you just can't let it get to you. Anyway most professionals I've met are their own worst critics - really ruthless in analysing their own playing!



Chilli Fingers -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Dec. 10 2010 8:24:00)

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hmm. ..I felt a little bit weird while watching that..

bwaaahahahahah hah ah haaha[:D].. i thought it was just me.

Having said that i will use these to warm up for sure (for playing guitar), i can see the value in it. Thanks for taking the time Grisha.



Grisha -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Dec. 13 2010 6:52:15)

Sorry for the lighting, I thought it would show the movements better.

I am doing about 20 repetitions of each exercise, and repeat the whole sequence another couple of times as needed. Take rests in between and never continue if you feel too much muscle fatigue or pain. Use your own judgment.



at_leo_87 -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Dec. 19 2010 20:55:52)

Thanks for the video, grisha!
i tried this today and it worked great!

it made me a bit worried though. my left hand is slower than my right hand, especially when extending the fingers.

does anyone else have the same problem?[&:]



xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Dec. 19 2010 21:08:10)

same here...you should practice rasgueados with your left hand so it can catch up [:D]



at_leo_87 -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Dec. 19 2010 21:10:56)

ok, i was worried i had an injury or something. it feels really sluggish when compared to the right hand.

now back to the days of flicking my fingers against my thigh while i eat,watch movies,talk on phone, sleep,etc. [:D]



xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Dec. 19 2010 21:27:42)

hehe
it's only logical, you trained your hands for two different things...the left fingers are all around the fretboard, they need to reach certain points quickly, and they need to think differently...your right hand on the other hand, it's all about total control, all your fingers relate to each other in movement...if you do the exercises you can also see that your right hand fingers stay together throughout and your left fingers tend to move unequally...



Leendert -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Dec. 20 2010 0:17:55)

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ouch! my arm is burning now!!


I know, right?...It's crazy to see Grisha's hand not only move so fast with his playing guitar, but this is crazy! :)...I cant even move my hands that fast!



DoctorX2k2 -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Dec. 20 2010 4:00:54)

Alcohol, in moderation, relaxes muscles and diminishes the co-contractions. It helps increasing precision.



jaggedsphere -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Jun. 23 2011 16:56:34)

Seems like a solid routine. I have been considering how one would devise a routine for increasing the quality of the muscles used for guitar and more specifically flamenco guitar. And I like this one.

Grisha, it LOOKS like you work out but you say you do not. Interesting. You must have developed the muscle strictly through your exercises and your practice. But the reasons you give for not wanting to work out I would argue against.
I remember an anecdote from an book on the subject of muscle building and performance increasing.
It went something like this:
During the 50s or 60s bodybuilding was shunned by coaches because they felt that it would make their athletes slow and heavy. Over time it was proved that with proper methodology any athlete could benefit from weight training.
(I'd like to cite a reference here but I cannot find anything solid. Anyone?)

So what I'm saying is that I am unsure whether I believe that lifting weights can actually hinder ones speed and accuracy. Would anyone care to counter or support?



rombsix -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Jun. 23 2011 17:49:27)

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Grisha, it LOOKS like you work out but you say you do not. Interesting. You must have developed the muscle strictly through your exercises and your practice.


He used to do bodybuilding in the past, so he didn't acquire his mass just by playing guitar and doing technique exercises / hand stretches.

I don't think he said that bodybuilding hinders one' speed and accuracy, but rather one's musicality.

Cheers!



jaggedsphere -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Jun. 23 2011 18:28:41)

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He used to do bodybuilding in the past, so he didn't acquire his mass just by playing guitar and doing technique exercises / hand stretches.

I don't think he said that bodybuilding hinders one' speed and accuracy, but rather one's musicality.

Cheers!


Oooh. well then that's a whole 'nother thing. I'll admit that gym culture can be a little un-artful...I wonder what he means.



kudo -> RE: Hand warmup without the guitar (Mar. 15 2012 18:47:26)

2 weeks ago I had stiff RH forearm muscles after playing for a few minutes and it remained stiff and irritating until yesterday, now its gone and Im considering this warm up stuff



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