What do y'all think about his style of playing where he sometimes plays a bulerias, and the whole thing has no single passage of compas strumming, and is mainly boiled down to VERY little notes, compared to other guitarists' bulerias?
In my opinion, early Paco Cepero, particularly when he played with Camaron, was, and is, as good as it gets!
Cheers,
Bill
RTC -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 13 2010 16:44:15)
That is why I Love Flamenco, so simple in theory just count to 12 start at 1 or 12, or just count to 4 etc...... very distinct palos Bulerias, tangos, fandangos, farruca ......., that opens the door for individual performences that are out of this world. (except prof)
In my opinion, early Paco Cepero, particularly when he played with Camaron, was, and is, as good as it gets! Cheers, Bill
I agree totally. His accompaniment of Perla de Cadiz, Rancapino, Camaron, El turronero, maria vargas is as good as it gets. A lot busier than his playing now, but busier in a very good way in my opinion. He is a little too minimalist now for my own taste, but back then he was not as busy as Paco de Lucia when accompanying, but still with plenty of guitar goodies for me. A lot of excellent stuff in his playing from the 70's and early 80's. Here with Soto Sordera
jg7238 -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 13 2010 20:27:35)
Great black and white video with Cepero. I wonder who came up first with the falseta at 1:56, Cepero or PDL? Cepero does it with single notes also a touch different where PDL adds a bit more to it.
Exitao -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 13 2010 20:40:41)
I like Cepero's old stuff. His stuff with Rancapino is what lead to me taking an interest.
His new stuff is good. I was never really sure if Corazon y Bordon was a buleria. But I love the heavy bass notes. Hi new stuff is also clearly distinctive and his own sound. No more questions of who came up with which falseta first I think. I don't think that's a bad thing. Although everyone has their own tastes...
jg7238 -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 13 2010 20:50:02)
I was only curious. I don't see what's wrong with simple curiosity.
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No more questions of who came up with which falseta first I think.
I wonder who came up first with the falseta at 1:56, Cepero or PDL?
I think it's older than either of them, although I don't recall having heard it on really old recordings. My impression is that it's from Jerez and that the idea comes from singing.
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No more questions of who came up with which falseta first I think.
[&o]I think you totally misunderstood his post. It doesn't look good when you tell people what to do on a forum.
Exitao -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 14 2010 0:09:49)
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No more questions of who came up with which falseta first I think.
[&o]I think you totally misunderstood his post. It doesn't look good when you tell people what to do on a forum.
I think you totally misunderstood me. It was not an imperative statement.
I had meant that his more current stuff is sufficiently unique that no one would think to question who did what first, because no one else does what Cepero does the way he does.
Thank you for slapping my wrist though. I actually do like being told what to do, Norman.
Could not resist. Paco plays some more of those old Jerez falsetas here. Ah, I could listen to that all day
Exitao -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 14 2010 6:04:12)
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ORIGINAL: Exitao I think you totally misunderstood me. It was not an imperative statement.
I had meant that his more current stuff is sufficiently unique that no one would think to question who did what first, because no one else does what Cepero does the way he does.
They were not talking about his current stuff. They were talking about that old falseta.
They were talking about his old stuff, yes, I tried to say that now in his newer stuff there can be little doubt what is his. It was a comparison of his old stuff with his new stuff.
If my way of writing is really so hard for people to understand, I'll just shut up.
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yohan -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 14 2010 6:36:06)
I like his singing and he has a nice guitar style also, but not really interesting after some time
XXX -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 14 2010 7:42:55)
To the initial video and initial question... i think its ok to do it this way and there is actually some compas of strumming, if you count it in 6. Ha! It also works with the major mode, makes it sound playful. Sounds fun, but not overwhelming. Cepero was always a bit too "student grade" in his compositions IMO though. While i dont think it is easy to play it exactly with his accuracy, it actually sounds easy. I prefer things that sound complicated but are very easy to play.
jg7238 -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 14 2010 7:58:14)
I was referring to the old falseta and you are comparing the new stuff with the old. It is quite obvious that that the newer stuff is his. I guess I need to get my PhD in music now for sure.
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If my way of writing is really so hard for people to understand, I'll just shut up.
mezzo -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 14 2010 8:17:11)
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Could not resist. Paco plays some more of those old Jerez falsetas here. Ah, I could listen to that all day
I like his style... Very explosive. One of the best toque ever IMO.
Exitao -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 14 2010 8:46:02)
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I was referring to the old falseta and you are comparing the new stuff with the old. It is quite obvious that that the newer stuff is his. I guess I need to get my PhD in music now for sure.
Hmmm.... Someone embeds a new video. Someone else embeds an old video. Comments are made about preferring his older stuff. Other comments are made about the source of a falseta.
I comment that I found out about him from his old stuff, I like his new stuff and that it's sufficiently unique that now there's not likely to be such confusion, which you seem to agree with, but I guess are ridiculing me for pointing out because you view it as too obvious to bear mention...?
OK.
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I like his style... Very explosive. One of the best toque ever IMO.
Yeah, until I saw that video in the first post, I had suspected that explosiveness was possibly due to the cajon and the bass strokes being played in sync (I think someone told me that it's called "kick"?).
Watching the video I was really surprised that it really was just the bordones being played so explosively. I don't think I could get the same sound out of my guitar (even if I could have the technique).
Arash -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 14 2010 8:57:40)
Paco Ceperos favourite Palo is clearly Rumba (and he has some nice Rumba's) And i think he prefers slower Bulerias. Generally i think he prefers more "happier" and kind of easy listening flamenco compositions.
What i like most about Cepero is the tone he gets out of his guitar. Muy Flamenco.
I love this sound:
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The first video in this thread: no comment, not my cup of tee (edit: i mean the first part)
rmj -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 14 2010 12:57:26)
In the seventies Paco Cepero wrote a lot of pop songs. This is the original version of the first video:
jg7238 -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 14 2010 14:21:17)
ME ridiculing?I'll end it here.
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but I guess are ridiculing me
Pablito -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 20 2010 13:14:54)
Hahah that pop song is sad.
I love Paco Cepero but he's certainly far from perfect. check out his picado particularly at like 2:50. I almost feel bad for him every time I watch this. Diego Amaya's little fill-ins are cool in this too.
mezzo -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 21 2010 6:00:57)
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I love Paco Cepero but he's certainly far from perfect. check out his picado particularly at like 2:50. I almost feel bad for him every time I watch this
Then watch this one perhap's you'll feel better[8|]
kozz -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 24 2010 0:01:45)
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I love Paco Cepero but he's certainly far from perfect.
Thats what makes music so special. No me gusta perfectly played pieces...its the little irregularities that makes something alive...at least to me.
Exitao -> RE: Paco Cepero (May 24 2010 13:14:24)
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I love Paco Cepero but he's certainly far from perfect.
Many people would count themselves blessed to play as well as Cepero. I would.
Just found this thread in a search for discussions on Cepero - I know this is a legendary recording and has likely been posted here before, but it just gets me to the core:
Just found this thread in a search for discussions on Cepero - I know this is a legendary recording and has likely been posted here before, but it just gets me to the core
Agree completely. It is precisely Paco Cepero's early stuff, when he played for Cameron and Turronero, around 1969 or 1970, that I find "muy flamenco," and, as I stated much earlier in this thread, "as good as it gets." In my opinion, much better than his later work. In fact, I would rather listen to early Cepero than most of the work by Tomatito, Vicente Amigo, and even Paco de Lucia. Not that they are in any way less accomplished; just that I prefer early Cepero.
