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guitarristamadrid -> What is the cañorroto style? (Apr. 10 2010 6:47:12)

Who plays it: almost anyone whose name ends with Jimenez, David Cerreduela, Jeronimo (more or less)

I've lived here for years, I've seen these guys play many, many times, and....

....this is my experience of the musical characteristics:

-Almost entirely Bulerias, Tangos, Rondeña... other palos are rarer and rarer to find, although the players probably know them
-Emphasis on rhythm... gone are the rubato days, you could put this **** to a drum machine
-Almost complete lack of musical development or variation.... ideas come in, are played twice, play compas, and a new idea appears... instead of a movie, think a bunch of commercials... you could rearrange the falsetas in any order and it would sound about the same
-Super jazzy chords are our friends.... where we used to go G F E, now we will go Gaddjb7(#2) FdimX9039 etc.... but the tones themselves are not changing, we're just piling on as many ornaments as possible. This leads to extremely chaotic and arbitrary voice lines, because the emphasis is not on the voices themselves, but the chord as a whole
-Fast picado is important, it is usually used in bursts
-Technique that is a close replication of Paco
-The music is almost designed as a vehicle to show off rhythmic tricks... as various beats are assumed to be "heard" by the listener whether they are played or not, the rhythm becomes increasingly esoteric. Full of rhythmic "in jokes"




yohan -> [Deleted] (Apr. 10 2010 7:27:21)

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Ron.M -> RE: What is the cañorroto style? (Apr. 10 2010 7:48:01)

yohan,

I think guitarrista is answering a question that quite a few members have asked in the past in response to Florian's interest in this style.

I found it very interesting and helpful myself!

BTW guitarrista...I sent you a PM.

Would be good if you could post some examples ( don't worry..we don't expect you to be El Entri or Jeronimo's standard![:D])

Just maybe a few (simplified) rhythmic examples (falsetas etc) of the cañoroto style if you could.
(Videos are always appreciated more than mp3's for picking up stuff.)

cheers,

Ron




yohan -> RE: What is the cañorroto style? (Apr. 10 2010 9:04:12)

ah sorry then, I think I missed that




guitarristamadrid -> RE: What is the cañorroto style? (Apr. 10 2010 9:27:47)

Sup all, yeah I think a good place to start would be to show you the cañorroto way of marking compas for different palos, it may be different than what you are used to

I am probably going to be busy the rest of the day, but maybe tomorrow or as soon as I have some time I'll be happy to make some videos showing stuff.

I have so much of this stuff in my head, that the more specific requests you can make, the better.

For picado exercises for example, I literally have a six hour set of picado exercises that I do when I want to get my picado up to a sick level, so it would take forever to notate every specific part, BUT

if you want some specific stuff, like "How do I get my single-string-note-repetition speed up?" or "How can I get rasgeo X tighter for bulerias" I can show you that pretty easily

When it comes to stuff like "Show me some of Ramon Jimenez's falsetas por bulerias" ethically I don't really know if I should do that, I personally feel uncomfortable with the idea of teaching note for note **** of some contemporary player other than someone super famous like Paco

But anyway, in my opinion, that's actually not where you should be at all... focus on the basics, compas, rasgeos, marcaje, remates, cierres, and of course many technique exercises to get your **** fluid... and then you will have a strong base, and you will be free to start creating your own falsetas,

... Which is what Entri would tell you to do anyway. I've never heard anyone suggest that you should spend all your time memorizing **** other players play, it's just supposed to be an introductory step to communicate the basic ideas to you, until you have them in your head and you can create your own art.




orsonw -> RE: What is the cañorroto style? (Apr. 11 2010 3:30:45)

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a good place to start would be to show you the cañorroto way of marking compas for different palos, it may be different than what you are used to


Thanks for your generosity, I look forward to your post, I would be very interested to see that.

Does this have something to do with the ‘A cuerda y tacón’ concept? I know this is to do with the interplay between dance and guitar; can you explain any further or in more detail?

I am interested to know more about the concepts or general approach that identify the Cañoroto style, rather than just specific falsetas.




XXX -> RE: What is the cañorroto style? (Apr. 17 2010 4:33:10)

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ORIGINAL: guitarristamadrid

Sup all, yeah I think a good place to start would be to show you the cañorroto way of marking compas for different palos, it may be different than what you are used to

I am probably going to be busy the rest of the day, but maybe tomorrow or as soon as I have some time I'll be happy to make some videos showing stuff.

I have so much of this stuff in my head, that the more specific requests you can make, the better.



Id surely be interested in that. Maybe you could show a typical rasgeo pattern, doesnt need to be high class, just some simple stuff, but something that is prominent for this style of playing.




Ricardo -> RE: What is the cañorroto style? (Apr. 17 2010 5:08:06)

I heard this term for years and did not know what it meant musically, I was thinking more about the neighbor hood....the way Jerez has a lot of guitarists that have a similar style and sound, Barrio Santiago specifically for singing, or Moron guitarists, Cadiz singers etc etc.

But musically, I feel it is a mix of about 50% paco (harmony ideas), 20% tomatito (compas ideas), 10% Gerardo (tuning ideas mainly and some technique), 10% Vicente (slickness, suave dynamics), and the last 10% touches of good ol jerez, extremedura, moron etc for authentic, but subtle flavor. Basically a big amalgam of where flamenco guitar has evolved to since it started.

Ricardo




XXX -> RE: What is the cañorroto style? (Apr. 17 2010 6:56:57)

So they took the best out of everything [:D]
Just one thing. I think the strumming is something that they created on their own. See video at 1:36 (there are other examples i could give of course). At least i have nowhere heard something like that by somebody else, but if theres a recording of an example feel free to post it or link to it. Id be glad to see.




Andy Culpepper -> RE: What is the cañorroto style? (Apr. 17 2010 7:11:10)

wow, who is the 2nd (and 4th) guy in that video?? It's crazy how many kickass "student" players there are over there. You know these folks Evan?




Thomas -> RE: What is the cañorroto style? (Apr. 17 2010 8:19:30)

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For picado exercises for example, I literally have a six hour set of picado exercises that I do when I want to get my picado up to a sick level, so it would take forever to notate every specific part, BUT


hmmm. from what I've heard on your myspace site another 6 hour exercise would be appropriate...[:)]




at_leo_87 -> RE: What is the cañorroto style? (Apr. 17 2010 8:22:15)

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wow, who is the 2nd (and 4th) guy in that video?? It's crazy how many kickass "student" players there are over there. You know these folks Evan?


damn, yeah that guy is crazy good. i'd like to see more of his playing.




Andy Culpepper -> RE: What is the cañorroto style? (Apr. 17 2010 9:18:41)

That must be Joni Jimenez. One question... why are there so ****ing many Jimenezes?? [:D]




orsonw -> RE: What is the cañorroto style? (Apr. 17 2010 9:24:11)

Yes it is Jony Jimenez there are a few youtube videos of him playing whole pieces for example-





Florian -> RE: What is the cañorroto style? (Apr. 17 2010 9:25:38)

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why are there so ****ing many Jimenezes??


interesting question ...i was asking this singer i worked with once Olayo Jimenez and he said that thats just a missconception westerners have [:)]




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