NormanKliman -> RE: Minera (I think) (Jan. 14 2010 6:59:32)
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Ricardo: Ha! I knew the word rondeña was going to draw you back into this thread![:D][:D][:D] One of Manuel Torre's two taranto recordings was originally titled "rondeña" (the label on the 78 rpm disk). There's a lot of speculation about that and Carmen Amaya's recording. quote:
...the ending with E# before the final F#... That's a good detail to point out because everyone does it today. I've been looking for it but haven't found it on any old recordings, so it might be a recent development. Edit: I hadn't noticed your offer to hear that Porrina recording. Of course, bring it on man! Like I said, these conversations go nowhere if we can't hear the music! Is it the "ramo de olor" letra? Arash, I agree that it's harder to be "tuned into" singing. Two voices might be completely different "instruments," but a guitar is a guitar, so cante is harder to recognize sometimes. Also, singers get to use different words and that's another dimension that we don't even have on the guitar. For me, the only way to get singing styles into my head is to have some kind of intense experience. Of course, if I really like a cante and hear it a few times, that's intense enough. But in the case of the taranta I was talking about, de la Gabriela, I'd heard it a few times but never paid much attention because I don't particularly like Levante singing styles. But one day at the peña I was sitting pretty close to the singer, Paco del Pozo, and he finished a series of these cantes with that taranta. He was really straining, like his head was going to explode or something! It was pretty intense and the experience made an impression on me. Afterward someone said which cante it was and I decided to remember that name for future reference (even though I couldn't remember what he sang very well; I haven't got a great memory like that). So I found one of Pastora's many versions and it immediately took me right back to that moment in the peña. To this day I can visualize him singing that. So I'm not telling you all of this to brag or tell stories or anything. What I want to say is that if there's some initial experience, when you listen to other versions it reinforces that first experience and makes it a lot easier to hear a cante more clearly in your head. John O once posted about how, when you're learning a falseta, if you've got something else going on in your head, it seems to burn that into your memory too, along with the falseta. Maybe that works the same way.
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