What defines the identity of a performance? Read my explanation under the poll before voting pls...
It is a mixed bulerias. I would not relate it to one specific piece.
45% (5)
I would call it andalucian aire because the intro was takenfrom there.
9% (1)
I would call it flamenco olé coz the majority was derived from it.
9% (1)
I would relate it to the song of the singer. Cante is most important.
36% (4)
Total Votes : 11
(last vote on : Dec. 22 2009 10:54:27)
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Doitsujin -> What defines the identity of a performance? Read my explanation under the poll before voting pls... (Dec. 21 2009 0:53:43)
Just an example that made me thinking.
Here the example of a TV-performance of Sabicas.
Sabicas performs together with a singer. 2 falsetas (around 16 seconds) from the composition "andalucian aire" (just to keep it abstract..) , and all the rest of the video were singing and falsetas from the composition "flamenco olé". (singing 3 min, falsetas from flamenco olé 4min)
The first 6 seconds intro was the intro of "andalucian aire".
So.. because Im unsure I want to ask you how you would call the bulerias performance.
Finally a nice chance to test the poll tool! [:)]
Im curious if anybody takes the poll.
Arash -> RE: What defines the identity of a performance? Read my explanation under the poll before voting pls... (Dec. 21 2009 3:21:19)
well, thats interesting. i would vote for mixed bulerias, but then again, you have to call it something more specific. no?
if someone would have asked sabicas, what the name of this piece is, what would have HE answered?
i think he would start to explain everything, almost like doits explanation to the interviewer and leave it to others to name the piece ?
hmm......
Ramon Amira -> RE: What defines the identity of a performance? Read my explanation under the poll before voting pls... (Dec. 21 2009 6:57:32)
Doitsujin describes a performance like he has a stick up his ass!
Ron.M -> RE: What defines the identity of a performance? Read my explanation under the poll before voting pls... (Dec. 21 2009 7:53:24)
[:D][:D][:D]
edguerin -> RE: What defines the identity of a performance? Read my explanation under the poll before voting pls... (Dec. 21 2009 7:57:45)
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Here the example of a TV-performance
Where?
gj Michelob -> RE: What defines the identity of a performance? Read my explanation under the poll before voting pls... (Dec. 21 2009 8:37:35)
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he has a stick up his ass!
Any particular reason this “image” is so recurrent in your posts, Prom?
Ramon Amira -> RE: What defines the identity of a performance? Read my explanation under the poll before voting pls... (Dec. 21 2009 8:41:58)
It only recurs in reply to, and as an allusion to, Doitsujin's crude comment that "Paco Pena plays as though he has a stick up his ass."
gj Michelob -> RE: What defines the identity of a performance? Read my explanation under the poll before voting pls... (Dec. 21 2009 8:49:29)
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It only recurs in reply to, and as an allusion to, Doitsujin's crude comment that "Paco Pena plays as though he has a stick up his ass."
[:D][:D][:D]
Arash -> RE: What defines the identity of a performance? Read my explanation under the poll before voting pls... (Dec. 21 2009 9:08:00)
ok, i think if anybody would like to fight back and push a stick up someone elses a$s, please go to the modern vs tradition or "what do you think of" thread and do that, as those threads are the best places for bumf....g anyway.
but don't contaminate other threads
Doitsujin -> RE: What defines the identity of a performance? Read my explanation under the poll before voting pls... (Dec. 21 2009 16:03:49)
I also think it would get no name when it is a mixed bulerias. But when a famous tocaor like Sabicas or Paco de Lucia would play the majority of the time and use his flasetas one may call it as the composition where most of the falsetas come from. Maybe it depends also on how important a guitarist is. Or the singer.
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quote:Doitsujin Here the example of a TV-performance quote: edguerin Where?
Its an abstract example.
Doitsujin -> RE: What defines the identity of a performance? Read my explanation under the poll before voting pls... (Dec. 21 2009 16:12:57)
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original: Prominent Critic "Paco Pena plays as though he has a stick up his ass."
So you finally changed youre mind. Fine. What in particular makes you think Paco Pena has a stick up his ass?[:)]
As you see I didnt quote you correctly, as you did with me. I never wrote what you are telling there.. Read more carefully. But this is topic of another thread. I wont argue here anymore.
Ricardo -> RE: What defines the identity of a performance? Read my explanation under the poll before voting pls (Dec. 21 2009 16:48:57)
I talked about this a lot before. Even with cante, there might be a lot of specific things but you can't title a performance with EVERYTHING that was played or sang, it would be ridiculous. But it IS important for aficionados to either know, or learn, what and where each one of those things came from originally. That is the beauty of both improvising in flamenco, and being a good aficionado to recognize what is going on.
"mixed bulerias" would be my vote, but actually "bulerias" would be enough for me.
Here is an example. Guitar plays Paco's Granaina, and later solea, as intros, singer sings Alegrias and fandangos....but the title is "milonga". [:D][:D]
cathulu -> RE: What defines the identity of a performance? Read my explanation under the poll before voting pls... (Dec. 21 2009 19:51:14)
What? That was LOL funny s**t! I almost spilled my beer! But I agree, it probably is time to change the channel. We all can have sticks up our bummys on occasion. That is what I have learned! [:D]
at_leo_87 -> RE: What defines the identity of a performance? Read my explanation under the poll before voting pls... (Dec. 21 2009 22:41:12)
well, if it wasn't for cd's, these falsetas wouldn't even have a name or a place of origin. plus, i never look at track names. so i never really know what comes from where, just who plays it. so mixed bulerias for me.
kozz -> RE: What defines the identity of a performance? Read my explanation under the poll before voting pls... (Dec. 21 2009 23:17:10)
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I would relate it to the song of the singer. Cante is most important
Not because cante is the most important, but Sabicas wouldn't have played a few very happy falsetta's when the cante is about that you have lost a dear family member. It's like watching Dracula with Madonna, it just doesn't fit.
