iFlamenco - metronome for Ipod Touch/Iphone (Full Version)

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zulolabs -> iFlamenco - metronome for Ipod Touch/Iphone (Oct. 16 2009 6:20:57)

Hi everyone. We are a computer programming group of flamenco lovers
and we have developed a metronome application to practice flamenco.
Tell us what u think please. In the next link you will be able to see the application in action, youtube videos etc ...

iFlamenco .:ZuloLabs:.









Thank you !

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Ron.M -> RE: iFlamenco - metronome for Ipod Touch/Iphone (Oct. 16 2009 12:27:27)

That's totally amazingly well done software.

Great stylish interface....I love the "old" clock!

Must have been a helluva lot of hard work!

Anyway, it's brilliant that it's iPhone compatible software and is truly portable.


cheers,

Ron



Pgh_flamenco -> RE: iFlamenco - metronome for Ipod Touch/Iphone (Oct. 16 2009 13:49:46)

Nice, makes me wish I had an iphone/ipod.



kovachian -> RE: iFlamenco - metronome for Ipod Touch/Iphone (Oct. 16 2009 20:06:21)

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Nice, makes me wish I had an iphone/ipod.
What's holding you back? You can get a brand new iPhone for as little as $99.



gshaviv -> RE: iFlamenco - metronome for Ipod Touch/Iphone (Oct. 16 2009 21:25:29)

There is also Beat Vibe on the iphone, which is the flamenco metronome I've written. It uses several cool features of the iphone, like the ability to vibrate in compas, put the iphone in your pocket and feel the rhythm. Also connects to an online database of user generated rhythms.



kozz -> RE: iFlamenco - metronome for Ipod Touch/Iphone (Oct. 16 2009 22:36:47)

I actually uses both of them. Lets see if I can make a comparison.

IFLAMENCO
- IFLAMENCO 100 points for stabilty of the clock engine, even at 400 bpm it is in time, and that the first and most important thing of a metronme. Many metronomes are not stable above 200 bpm (or even below)
- I like the step-sequencer interface, feels like programming my analog gear, real intuitive
- I like the oldstyle clock, bit perhaps it should be possible, as with the digital one, to see the accents (like the way Beatvibe does)
- also to change the startbeat (12 or 1 etc) is a nice feature.

- the programming knobs are very very very small, especially for us "ladies" with long nails. I would make the 3 main knobs on the bottom a little smaller and the start/stop.load/save etc buttons a bit bigger. I touch the wrong buttons a lot of times [:)]
The video you made is in simulation mode isn't it? Because you can use the mouse.

- the list with presets or saved patterns should be easier to browse, its to small
- maybe in the future the abillity to choose more sounds, I mainly use the palmas and not the cajon features
- the start stop button on the clock-page could be be bigger, as the analog/digital swith.

Overall, damn I sound like a judge [:D] I really like this app, and it is stable, thats just perfect, only the knobs should be a little bit bigger.


BEATVIBE
Its the first app I uses as a metronome.
- I like the bigscreen with the clock giving visual feedback on the accents
- at first it was a problem to find out how to program it, as I am used to stepsequencers, but after playing for a while, and perfect feedback after having sent an email "how to", it working fine. But perhaps another way of pragramming would be better
- It has a lot of sounds to choose from and hopefully in the future more palmas.
- it has indeed a very big database with al kind of styles which is very nice to share
- I also like the way to browse throught the database because it is divided into beatmeasurements (12 beats of 2/4 beats etc), really great
- unfortunately it is not a very stable app. It takes a while to get the clock going once it is loaded, one time it will start immediately, the other time I am just "fingering" the screen for a while an than it starts


I like both app very much, but my personal preference goes for iFlamenco at the moment because it is stable and stable. And since playing compas is the most important thing you don't want your metronome to slow down or skip a beat, that's what I'll do myselves already.



Ron.M -> RE: iFlamenco - metronome for Ipod Touch/Iphone (Oct. 17 2009 2:13:39)

quote:

There is also Beat Vibe on the iphone, which is the flamenco metronome I've written. It uses several cool features of the iphone, like the ability to vibrate in compas, put the iphone in your pocket and feel the rhythm. Also connects to an online database of user generated rhythms.


Yes, that is a very nice touch, gshaviv!

The main reason I commented was the impressive visual presentation of the iFlamenco.

Actually I don't really like using loops or special metronomes for actual practise.
I just like a steady beat. (which the above will do also and they are both very inexpensive too...less than the cost of a set of strings).

The reason I liked to use Flamenco Master ("The Original Steam Metronome" [:D]) was to analyze what was going on in a phrase I found difficult, rather than an actual timekeeping device.
I would do this by either singing the phrase or playing it slowly while watching the beat move through the compás cycle.
For this, I prefer the 6 X 6 layout, rather than a flashing number or moving hand on a clock as it somehow adds a bit of a "predictive" element to it.

It also clearly shows the symmetry of the two medio compáses in Bulerias.

But after I've resolved the difficulty and understood it, I then just go back to practising with a steady beat.

Flamenco Master was just really an electronic version of what I used to do with a piece of paper and a pencil.

cheers,

Ron



kozz -> RE: iFlamenco - metronome for Ipod Touch/Iphone (Oct. 17 2009 2:53:40)

By the way, did you guys use XCODE for creating the app?

I am willing to create some apps myselves, but I am new to this kind of programming, I have some experience in VB.



gshaviv -> metronome for Ipod Touch/Iphone (Oct. 17 2009 5:52:57)

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- unfortunately it is not a very stable app. It takes a while to get the clock going once it is loaded, one time it will start immediately, the other time I am just "fingering" the screen for a while an than it starts


You have to touch the digit marking the beat you want to start on. That was my way of dealing with compas that start on different beats. If you have any other issues, please write to me, I'll fix any issue you come across. I'm planning an update soon, so I'll include more palmas sounds in it at your request.

My problem with doing a sequencer style interface was how to enable both triplets and sixteenth in a beat, and not clutter the interface.

Yes, the programming is done on XCode on a Mac using Objective-C.



kozz -> RE: metronome for Ipod Touch/Iphone (Oct. 17 2009 6:16:08)

quote:

You have to touch the digit marking the beat you want to start on. That was my way of dealing with compas that start on different beats. If you have any other issues, please write to me, I'll fix any issue you come across. I'm planning an update soon, so I'll include more palmas sounds in it at your request.

My problem with doing a sequencer style interface was how to enable both triplets and sixteenth in a beat, and not clutter the interface.

Yes, the programming is done on XCode on a Mac using Objective-C.


Thanks Guy!
I thought I had to swing the arm to give it a start [:@], but as you pointed it out it just works perfect. Sorry for my ignorance.

I liked the way you came up with, the workaround for the triplets and sxteenths, it makes much more sense now. I am so used by step programming my 808 that I couldnt find the logic at first.
You right about "cluttering" the interface. It is a small screen.

Great that you will be adding more palmas, perhaps even a function to record your own samples. [;)]
I like the iPhone recording, it gives a nice but subtle distortion to it.

One thing I would really like is that if the tempo is above 220 the samples get shortend and the timing gets lost.
I use those high values to exercise rasgeados, every tick is a flick a a finger.

Anyway a great application!



gshaviv -> RE: metronome for Ipod Touch/Iphone (Oct. 17 2009 7:26:57)

I should probably add a help screen next update as well, to avoid other users having the same confusion you had.

The next version will add some features some Jazz musicians asked me for, so I guess there will be less flamenco specific features. Yeah, adding your own samples is something I considered and will probably implement along the way.



granjuanillo -> RE: iFlamenco - metronome for Ipod Touch/Iphone (Oct. 21 2011 20:52:16)

I just left a nasty review of this on the ITunes store - I wouldn't have done so if you had left contact info on your website. I just now see this post on the foro - maybe you can help me.

Here are my issues:

1. The volume was very low - even through earphones or an iPod base, with the volume to the max. If I can't hear the metronome over the guitar, it won't do much good - any suggestions?

2. I tried programming my own track. It said it would over-right the current tract, so, I did it on 4/4, which I probably don't need. The buttons are so small that I just couldn't get what I wanted - I kept activating the wrong beat and deleting the right ones - finally I gave up.

3. I then went back to the other pre-set rhythms, which were quite nice, only to see that *everything* had been deleted. The files are still there, but with no buttons activated. So, now I've paid nearly $10 for nothing!

If you have any suggestions, please contact me at moorej@ucsd.edu



kudo -> RE: iFlamenco - metronome for Ipod Touch/Iphone (Dec. 9 2011 18:54:37)

i love this app because its very customizable, programmable and stable and above all you can put footwork into it, just awesome! this is a good tool to use to figure things out, but Doctor Compas sounds best in accompanying live performance or just videos or so



FredSanford -> RE: iFlamenco - metronome for Ipod Touch/Iphone (Dec. 10 2011 4:36:26)

The problem with allowing users to program their own compas is that it gives the assumption that they can actually do it in a useful way. Realistically most people can't correctly program their own compas. Compas is something that takes years of study.

I still laugh every time I see a clock representing compas beats. What happens por tanguillos, por fandangos, sevillanas, bulerias in 6, etc...?

too bad Juan Moro couldn't get iFLamenco to work for him. He knows his stuff and has more years of study behind him than just about anyone. Could have sold a lot of apps for iFLamenco. You know the best way to use metronome apps is with one earphone in the ear and the other for hearing the guitar. then the other people in your life don;t have to be bothered with the sound of most of these flamenco metronomes most of which sound somewhat like 2"x 4" blocks being slammed together instead of actual hands making music.

Sure wish Doctor Compas for Android or even PC/Mac would be released soon.

I heard that Doctor Compas is selling quite well in Spain. I wonder if thats true.

to program accurate and realistic footwork would take way more that one sound like "heel" in iFlamenco. You need many different volumes of each type of sound the shoe makes and not to mention a male dancer and female dancer which sound completely different.



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