I found this to be somehow cool and interesting. After i got used to the unusual sound of the instrument, i actually liked what the guy played (but not that synthisizer part which another guy playerd, whom you actually cant see untill the end). Well i actually only like the first minute and a half... Btw is it a Tangos she dances in the beginning??
Edit: just found out that this is the second part of the performance. Here is part1 with dancing starting at 4:20
Ron.M -> RE: Dancing and organ (Jul. 8 2009 11:54:32)
Well call me a stupid old fart Deniz, but I cannot honestly see what this has to do with Flamenco?
This is just Modern Dance/Ballet IMO.
I'm not saying it's bad music or dance or organ playing....I'm just saying that the basic Flamenco that I heard some 40 years ago has gone an exponential explosion of ideas that I simply cannot follow or recognise as anything that ever attracted me to Flamenco in the first place.
It seems to me (as a grumpy old idiot) that everyone seems to be desperately trying to GET AWAY as fast as they can from anything sounding remotely like the Flamenco I heard from Radio Nacional de España on shortwave from Sevilla in the late 60's, early 70's.
Frankly, if I had heard a lot of the stuff I hear now, I would have probably tuned the dial up further till I found something more interesting, (like Voice of America or Radio Moscow..)[:D]
I dunno man... I guess people should be allowed to like what they want, whatever it is.
Trad Jazz turned into Modern Jazz in a similar sort of time span and I'm pretty sure many "folk" musics from all over the World are undergoing the same change.
Certainly a lot of music from Ireland and Scotland has been experimented with by various groups over here over the years and some of it is not bad, but I can hardly say it has any spiritual meaning or depth for me compared to the older songs. That's just the honest truth.
Maybe that's just age. [:-]
Anyway...
cheers,
Ron
XXX -> RE: Dancing and organ (Jul. 8 2009 12:53:13)
Haha, no problem Ron. I thank you for your honesty. It could be the an interesting point to discuss. Sorry for the long post!
What its got to do with flamenco? Well its Tangos. Ok that Modern Dance part is not... im not finished on what to think of it, i dont like that synthisizer part either, and im not talking about that part in the following. Yes you have hit an important point here... cultural exploitation. Its got nothing to do with what Flamenco usually is associated with. But does that make this "bad art"? I dont think so. I found it tasteful, and some of the music (not all) did accompany very well with the movement, which is surprising because it sounds more like baroque, which is miles away from flamenco tangos. In other words: through this performance with the organ i could discover and appreciate a different aspect of the dancing, which i wasnt aware of playing the normal accompaniment. Not to mention i found the dancing itself to be very elegant.
You said, "Frankly, if I had heard a lot of the stuff I hear now", well it was the first time for me to see such a thing. But i DID hear a lot of bad fusion (rumbas, pseudo-bulerias etc). Further you said, that everyone seems to be desperately trying to get AWAY as fast as they can from anything sounding remotely like the Flamenco I heard from Radio Nacional, im not sure that this applies to this dancer. Well, her name is Kika (well her nickname i hope :-D) and you can watch a little (true) flamenco snippet of her in this interview at 0:20.
What im trying to say with this example is... you can do anything IMO, as long as you are good at it and keep it tasteful, which means to me being respectful to the art. Then its legitimate art imo, but that doesnt mean of course, that everybody likes (or has to like) it. Especially this performance is very experimental or academical. But to me it shows a different way/aspect of respecting the same art (flamenco).
XXX -> RE: Dancing and organ (Jul. 8 2009 13:01:38)
Who knows, maybe i will steal some of his falsetas for the next Tangos dance [:D][;)]
