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Conrad -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 12:26:46)

Please... you bunch of lightweights... I am king for when I met Paco and shook his hand, he proceeded to ask ME what I thought of his album, Cositas Buenas. True story, actually.



Ron.M -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 12:28:55)

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Well I know her brother Marcial and JIngle of course so I ended up being invited round for a BBQ and Chonchi and her son were there. All in all it was a surprising day.


Oh right....so it's a name dropping contest now?[:D]

In that case I met Billy J Kramer and the Dakotas AND The Searchers too!

AND had a pint with the singer of "Needles and Pins" by the Searchers who was gracious enough to tell me that it wasn't his song but only a cover of a song by Sonny Bono.

Sheesh...even the ROCK STARS have a bit of humility![:D]

Gives you a bit of faith back in the World......


cheers,

Ron



JasonMcGuire -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 12:34:11)

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That composition summarizes every corner and aspect of Paco’s innovations. In many serious academical institutions and Universities, all over the world, it is regarded as Paco de Lucia’s greatest work and achievement on the compositional field until now.


I disagree



JasonMcGuire -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 12:43:19)

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That composition summarizes every corner and aspect of Paco’s innovations. In many serious academical institutions and Universities, all over the world, it is regarded as Paco de Lucia’s greatest work and achievement on the compositional field until now.


I disagree



Ricardo -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 12:46:47)

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That composition summarizes every corner and aspect of Paco’s innovations. In many serious academical institutions and Universities, all over the world, it is regarded as Paco de Lucia’s greatest work and achievement on the compositional field until now.


La Estiba??? Uh....yeah....sure....whatever you say ruben....[8|]

Come on everyone knows the greatest is ENTRE DOS AGUAS!!![8|]

Anyway here is my version of La Estiba. Enjoy!!1



Jan Willem -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 12:49:14)

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I am lucky, for today is my free day so, in some hours, I will analyse “La Estiba” -Track No. 1 of the last album of the Super-trio “Paco de Lucia, John McLaughlin, Al di Meola” (1997)- and upload the video with the previously mentioned composition. As my personal gift to the audience that really likes and appreciates Paco for what he is. That composition summarizes every corner and aspect of Paco’s innovations. In many serious academical institutions and Universities, all over the world, it is regarded as Paco de Lucia’s greatest work and achievement on the compositional field until now.


Don't bother, we all know you have the technical abilities to pull it of.

It's just you don't get the point of playing Flamenco. It's not about copying who is the best in your opinion, it's about true that material finding your own sound, style, compositions....

If you say players like Vicente and Tomatito akknowledge Paco is the best (they do but that's just a way to pay respect to), in your logic they stop compose there music cause the music of Paco is better. Totaly ridiculous! Should we all then only play paco's music??


It's not about making the best music, it's about expressing the inner being. There are plenty of people who don't feel paco but like tomatito and that's a total subjective matter.


Instead of challenging Jason for that picado thing, why don't YOU upload a composition of yourself?


Your just a copycat with a big mouth IMO.

JW



John O. -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 12:51:16)

1) No one can prove if I'm Paco's disciple or not but Paco himself, no one else. The oponents who say they know Paco for many years can not fathom how many people Paco has met in his life. I'm not worried about this because it is a FACT that what I claim to be it truth and I have demostrated and proved it thoroughly.It is not enough to be "friend" of Paco, there are thousands of people who say they are his so called "friends".That means nothing.... YOU HAVE TO PLAY LIKE PACO... Not just say: "I understand his music", "I know what he is doing".... YOU HAVE TO PLAY IT.

2)I only analize compositions of musicians from whom I can learn something. I could do the analysis for Mr. Jason's in 10 min but, if Mr. Jason wants to test me, I will test him first and challenge him and the others who pose their selves as "bonafied" teachers and players to show his great expertise and knowledge as a flamenco player. So please upload an hamonic analysis and technical explanation with the performance at actual speed of the Intro, theme and Paco'solo of "La Estiba" (Tangos) Track No. 1 of "Paco de Lucia, John McLaughlin and Al di Meola" album 1997 as I DID IN EL CHORRUELO (Luzia album). Otherwise I -and the very inteligent audience who reads my lines- will take your messages as a cheap bla bla bla of someone who is AFRAID that their "authority" in this forum (in front of may good intentioned aspirants to play flamenco) will fall apart.

You have one week to upload your videos in the forum. Today is Tuesday June 16th so your deadline is Tuesday June 23th, 2009. If there is no uploads, I will upload mine and you will prove with your own actions that I'm right.

John Opheim



John O. -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 12:52:17)

The more I read the above the more I realize that it probably doesn't apply to me [:D]



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Ron.M -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 12:58:51)

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I only analize compositions of musicians from whom I can learn something


Without being pedantic here, I know the word "analyze".

ANALize would strike me as something completely different...(as Monty P would say..[:D])

cheers,

Ron



DeLuciaPaco -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 13:00:57)

Hi Ruben,
I'm the real Paco and you're just Ruben,
so stop writing nonsense.
I'll wait until the end of June.
Then I'll not give you lessons anymore.

Francisco Sanchez Gomez



Escribano -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 13:07:04)

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Oh right....so it's a name dropping contest now?


Yeah, and I bought Nico a drink and talked Velvet Underground for a while. She was past it by then, sadly [:(]



DeLuciaPaco -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 13:07:17)

Hi Rubens,
I'm the real Paco.
Now, please stop talking about nonsense and start studying the right
left hand technique.
You've just 3 days to improve, then i'll stop to give you lessons.
And please give me back my shirt.

Thanks

Francisco Sanchez Gomez



Ricardo -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 13:11:26)

Paco, maestro, now we have you on line I want to say I think PACO CEPERO kicks your butt and you stole his techniques! And while we are at it, your students need to work on their vibrato! [:D][:D][:D]



Ron.M -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 13:16:23)

Muy Cool,

But did you have a word with Lou?

cheers,

Ron



Arash -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 13:18:01)

here is the real Prof. Ruben Diaz




RTC -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 13:24:12)

I am relatively a new comer to this forum, and to Flamenco playing.
I have been fortunate enough to have been raised in a second generation Spanish home with all the folklore and tradition of Spain.
I found this forum when I decided that it was not to late to learn this wonderful art.

This Forum is a tremendous tool to learn and to get advice from individuals that are talented in this art.

All the talented players, profesionals, teachers and fellow students that contribute to this forum, have always been supportive and encouraging.

I do not belive that such pointless challanges are necesary unless they contribute to the improvements of the readers. I do not think this qualifies.
Ruben you are very talented and you have provided valuable information on your previous post. Why don't you leave it there and continue being a valuable contributor like many others have.
I have never meet Jason, or Ricardo, but they have always contributed in a positive matter.
I as a reader will not gained anything by this tit for tat fiasco.
Please continue to post, your knowlage is valuable, but this challenge is not.



duende -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 13:25:17)

this is WAAAAYYYYY better than any Juan Martin thread we had
PLUS it goes on in several diffrent threads all at once.

total foro success ALLOVER[8D][:D][8D][:D]



DeLuciaPaco -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 13:30:24)

Hey you R...please take me really seriously.

NO ONE CAN PLAY LIKE ME, NEITHER ME.

I'll come back to the foro and analyse the first track of Saturday Night in San
Francisco. I can remember few things, but for sure we had a very nice dinner
(lobsters from the bay).
Paco Cepero stoles everything, if you are in contact with that
baldy guy, please ask him my old shirt.

Thanks

Sanchez



Doitsujin -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 13:58:01)

Whatever... no comment..



Doitsujin -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 14:03:42)

My post disappeared.... ****!

Let me summarize instead the initial thread, the parameter for this "fair" challenge here and all when I read so far from a man who lost the bright path..: --> LOL

(EDIT: Oh it didnt disap...[&:])



JasonMcGuire -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 14:03:58)

No please Maestro, the analysis of the timeless Rumba.... Buana, Buana King Kong



Jenny -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 14:13:28)

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Oh right....so it's a name dropping contest now?[:D]


Well I've kissed Rolf Harris! [:)][:)][:)][:)]

Ok, ok, just thought I'd throw in my ha'penny worth [8|][:(][&:]

Jenny



peghead48 -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 14:50:14)

Hey,

and I am related to Ray and Dave Davies, does that count for anything on here?



Stu -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 14:50:58)

**** all of you!!!![:D][:D][:D][:D]



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prd1 -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 15:06:36)

Like the way Paco cups underhand - I bet he doesn't show such subliminal messages of tenderness to anyone esle but his favourite brown-noser...show us yer photos Rubes...



cathulu -> RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (Jun. 16 2009 15:13:41)

This place has just gone insane! Reuben, you gotta back off as things are getting to the point of ridiculousness, I am starting to feel a bit uncomfortable with where things are going.

My contribution:

I have met Juan Martin and he was a very nice gentleman and gave me his autograph. I know there is a photo with Juan and Paco playing together, so that is close as I get.

I met and chatted with Nina Hagen. That was pretty cool.



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