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Adam -> La alboreá (May 11 2009 21:07:05)

So gitanos in the room, forgive me for the intrusion, but I've heard a bit about the alboreá and realized I actually don't have a single recording! I'm really curious to hear what one sounds like. Recordings are probably at a minimum, but does anyone know where I can find one?



runner -> RE: La alboreá (May 12 2009 5:57:56)

Volume 3 of the old Hispavox/Westminster Anthology of Cante Flamenco has an alboreá, sung by Rafael Romero with Perico el del Lunar; also, if you're VERY lucky, you might find an old Cuban LP, Cante Flamenco, also from the 1950s, also with an alboreá, also with Romero and Perico. It is Kubaney #MT-164. Good luck!

runner



NormanKliman -> RE: La alboreá (May 12 2009 7:49:13)



She sings it at 0:37 and again at 2:08. Joselero recorded it, too.



a_arnold -> RE: La alboreá (May 12 2009 10:46:59)

quote:

I've heard a bit about the alboreá and realized I actually don't have a single recording! I'm really curious to hear what one sounds like. Recordings are probably at a minimum, but does anyone know where I can find one?


The gitanos I've known say it is bad luck to sing it except at weddings, in the morning. Maybe that's why recordings are uncommon. Sort of like dancing Peteneras is bad luck.

However, Saura's film flamenco trilogy has one in it. "Despierte la Novia" in the movie Bodas de Sangre ("Blood Wedding"). It is like a very slow bulerias. They play it in F# phrygian with no capo (the common Tarantos key). Not sure if that's a trad. key for alboreas. I had to learn it for a performance I did of Blood Wedding, and wrote out the tabs. Let me know if you want them.

TonyArnold



edguerin -> RE: La alboreá (May 13 2009 13:05:18)

Here's a short list:

Antología Del Cante Flamenco (Vol.2)
Alboreás Rafael Romero

Enciclopedia de los estilos flamencos de la A a la Z vol.1
01- La boda (Alboreá)
02- Boda flamenca en Cádiz (Alboreá)

Grands Cantaores Du Flamenco
El Agujeta (con Parrilla de Jerez) -
08 - Grandes voces se escuchaban (Alboreás)


Cante Flamenco- Spain(Nimbus Records)
Alborea/Miguel Funi

Hope it helps



edguerin -> RE: La alboreá (May 14 2009 3:25:17)

you can also check out
mp3
for a short example

or search for the thread "alboreá letras"



Ricardo -> RE: La alboreá (May 14 2009 14:23:44)




flybynight -> RE: La alboreá (Aug. 17 2010 19:04:51)

I'm resurrecting this thread to show an example of this palo (uploaded quite recently) that I had never heard before, and so just in case you haven't either:



Nice eh ?



Ramon Amira -> RE: La alboreá (Aug. 17 2010 21:41:17)

I have Perico's famous anthology from the fifties, and I agree - Rafael Romero's rendition of Alboreas is as good as it gets.



turnermoran -> RE: La alboreá (Oct. 26 2015 18:17:02)

haha: I'm just trying to figure out the bread and butter of baile/cante accomp, and in today's second class, the dancer wants this palo.

I've never heard this palo, and can't think of another that mixes bulerias de cadia/alegrias type harmony with phrygian harmony in the middle of the letra..
and not all seem to do it in the same place or same way. (Am I missing something?)(

after doing a little research, my first question is: is this a type of palo one can easily accompany not knowing any of the coplas?

the versions I'm finding are slightly different but the differences are kinda big. (like 3 beats where one type there's a Bm chord por medio, and another in the same place it's a Bb chord. That'd sound like quite a clunker if you mixed those up).

any advice?
Thanks



turnermoran -> RE: La alboreá (Oct. 26 2015 18:50:46)

hmmm..upon further research it seems one could accompany this without knowing the specific letras..



Pimientito -> RE: La alboreá (Oct. 26 2015 19:31:23)

Adam - the best comercial recording I have of this is from the CD by La Tombala called "Lenguaje Puro". Her husband is Pedro Sierra who plays exceptionally throughout the album. Its for me a really authentic CD of pure Gypsy Cante.

(the CD version is longer)





turnermoran -> RE: La alboreá (Oct. 27 2015 4:27:04)

Would this be something that could happen in a buleria?
as part of a mixture of cantes por buleria?

Or is it typically something where a cantaor calls the palo and just sings a couple letras por alborea?



runner -> RE: La alboreá (Oct. 27 2015 16:47:25)

Miguel Funi, with Paco and Juan del Gastor: Cante Flamenco, Nimbus Records CD NI 5251.



Ricardo -> RE: La alboreá (Oct. 27 2015 18:21:54)

quote:

ORIGINAL: turnermoran

Would this be something that could happen in a buleria?
as part of a mixture of cantes por buleria?

Or is it typically something where a cantaor calls the palo and just sings a couple letras por alborea?



Ok look...it's more than bad luck, it's simply bad taste to play it, unless you are the musicians in a gypsy wedding. IMagine you get called to a gig, it's like a birthday party or christmas party or whatever...then you start playing "here comes the bride"....and finish the whole song...people look at you like you are an idiot. Or perhaps you have a private party at someones' home in july, and you play a few Christmas songs....WTF???

So, assuming you are in a gypsy wedding...that song can be interpreted as solea por buleria, buleria, tangos, rumba, etc...whatever might be ideal. A non gypsy cantaor sang it (the first time ever I had to play it) at a private party in a very high class restaurant as his CANTE solo....the dancer was the main feature. We ran over it before hand at tempo of buleria por solea. He ends up singing twice as fast, OVER TOP of my compas....which was the same tempo we rehearsed. He seemed totally pleased. To this day I am still like WTF was that about???[:D]



Paul Magnussen -> RE: La alboreá (Oct. 27 2015 18:24:09)

quote:

Recordings are probably at a minimum, but does anyone know where I can find one?


Individual Artists

Curro Malena: Antorcha de Oro del Cante, track 5
Diego Clavel: Cantes y Pensamientos, track 10
El Lebrijano: El Lebrijano, track 9
Fosforito: Fosforito Vol. 1, track 13
Juan Serrano et al: Cante Hondo, track 11
Paco Peña: A Compás!, Vol. 1, track 1
Pedro del Valle et al: Flamenco Fiesta, track 8
Pepe Marchena: Memorias Antológicas del Cante Flamenco Vol. 4, track 11
Rafael Romero: La Caña, track 3
Tía Anica La Piriñaca: Por el Aire de Santiago, track 6

Anthologies

Antología del cante flamenco Vol. 2, track 12
Archivo del Cante Flamenco Vol. 3, track 14
Cante flamenco, track 4
Duende Gitano, track 8
Grabaciones En París 1956–1959, Vol. 1, track 9
Gran Antologia Flamenca Vol. 4: Cordoba y Granada, track 9
Gran antología flamenca Vol. 3, track 2
Grandes Figuras del Flamenco (1), track 3
Grandes figures du flamenco Vol. 8, track 8
Grandes figures du flamenco Vol. 18, track 8
Grandes figures du flamenco Vol. 19, track 7
Hispavox Antologia Del Cante Flamenco Vol. 2, track 12
La Verdad del Cante Vol. 2, track 14
Magna Antologia Del Cante Flamenco Vol. 3, track 6
Manolo Leiva Selections from LPs Vol. 12, track 8
Medio Siglo de Cante Flamenco Vol. 2, track 14
Noche Flamenca, track 5
Nueva Gran Antologia Flamenca Vol. 4, track 10
Nueva Gran Antologia Flamenca Vol. 6, track 9
Reyes del Flamenco, track 3
Romances, Gilianas y Alboreás, tracks 7–11
The History of Flamenco Vol. 11, track 2
Vergara Archivo de Cante Flamenco Vol. 3, track 14



turnermoran -> RE: La alboreá (Oct. 27 2015 20:16:14)

quote:

it's more than bad luck, it's simply bad taste to play it, unless you are the musicians in a gypsy wedding


Ah.. so it's basically the Chicken Dance of flamenco?
Duly noted



Leñador -> RE: La alboreá (Oct. 27 2015 23:21:17)

Or the monster mash! Lol

Anyone see the bride in the first video?? That might be the prettiest person ever to walk the earth!



Sr. Martins -> RE: La alboreá (Oct. 27 2015 23:53:44)

quote:

Anyone see the bride in the first video?? That might be the prettiest person ever to walk the earth!


Found a picture of you playing at a wedding.. now I understand.



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mark indigo -> RE: La alboreá (Oct. 28 2015 9:12:14)


quote:

She sings it at 0:37 and again at 2:08. Joselero recorded it, too.

does that group do parties and bar mitzvahs as well as weddings?[;)][:D][:D]



mark indigo -> RE: La alboreá (Oct. 28 2015 9:21:49)

quote:

We ran over it before hand at tempo of buleria por solea. He ends up singing twice as fast, OVER TOP of my compas....which was the same tempo we rehearsed. He seemed totally pleased. To this day I am still like WTF was that about???


sounds like that singer wasn't going to be "boxed in" by any rehearsal/choreography nonsense![8D][:D]



Ricardo -> RE: La alboreá (Oct. 28 2015 10:57:42)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mark indigo

quote:

We ran over it before hand at tempo of buleria por solea. He ends up singing twice as fast, OVER TOP of my compas....which was the same tempo we rehearsed. He seemed totally pleased. To this day I am still like WTF was that about???


sounds like that singer wasn't going to be "boxed in" by any rehearsal/choreography nonsense![8D][:D]


He was OLD...that's why he hired people for special gigs, but the dancers rarely hired him....impossible to do choreography to his cante in a consistant way, always the dancers had to improvise. Fine for solos (sort of) but for group numbers impossible. I now wish the dancers had taken advantage of what he had to offer....



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