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MarcChrys -> Is this a proper technique? (Feb. 26 2009 5:31:12)

Was just fooling around, trying to figure out a way to play a thumbless tremolo (one that allows the thumb to play independently rather than part of the p-i-a-m-i sequence), and I developed a technique that involves i-a-m-i (as per normal) but with the thumb replaced by a DOWNWARD flick of the index fingernail, creating an i-i-a-m-i sequence.
Is this a standard or known technique? Or am I starting to go mad? [&:]



Arash -> RE: Is this a proper technique? (Feb. 26 2009 5:49:08)

?

maybe an audio or a video would be better to understand what you mean.
Do you mean in specific situations or tremolo in general?

how would you play something like this without thumb properly?

----0-0-0-0---0-0-0-0----0-0-0-0
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--0------------------------------------

Well, i have seen Grisha replacing Picado with tremolo but what you say is new to me.



MarcChrys -> RE: Is this a proper technique? (Feb. 26 2009 8:35:50)

Sorry - it's tricky to describe. But, yes, a movement like a 3 finger picado - i-a-m followed by an outward/downward flick with the index. Once I get it going (!) it becomes quite rhythmic and flowing like a normal tremolo - though works best on the top E. The thumb operates independently to play bass notes.



MarcChrys -> RE: Is this a proper technique? (Feb. 26 2009 8:42:35)

PS I would use it for situations where I want to play a continuous tremolo on the top E string but occasionally pluck a few bass notes at intermittent intervals.

PPS But if it's not recognised or approved of, I might consign it to the dustbin of silly inventions [:D]



at_leo_87 -> RE: Is this a proper technique? (Feb. 26 2009 8:59:27)

sounds interesting! if it works, then keep doing it. you may have just came up with a brand new technique never done before! [:D]

if you think about it, ANY technique feels awkward and clumsy at first. we only continue with it because we see other people do it so we know it's possible.
stick with it and see where it takes you!

i've often wondered how to get a continuous tremolo with independent bass notes so if it works, let me know!



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MarcChrys -> RE: Is this a proper technique? (Feb. 26 2009 9:13:30)

Thanks for the encouragement - as you say, we'd have given up on many techniques if we'd not known they eventually 'work'!

The technique I'm describing is a cross between a 3 finger tremolo and a-m-i-i rasgueado on one string [:D]



Ricardo -> RE: Is this a proper technique? (Feb. 26 2009 13:05:58)

technique is a means to an end. In the end you must sound authentic, or "flamenco", doesn't really matter how. You dont' want to sound like a parody of flamenco, nor do you want to be limited. So use good taste, and anything goes....

Ricardo



MarcChrys -> RE: Is this a proper technique? (Feb. 27 2009 9:46:57)

Hmm, I don't know if it's 'flamenco' or not - though I'd probably be met by aghast cries of horror if I ever unveiled it in Andalucia :)

For those who want to try it (!) Basically it's a-m-i tremolo preceded by an outward flick of the index (replacing the thumb) - so instead of pima I have iami. A sort of hybrid between picado/tremolo/1-finger rasgueado [:)]



a_arnold -> RE: Is this a proper technique? (Feb. 27 2009 13:20:45)

I'd sure like to see a vid of it. THat would help us all understand what we are trying for.

Remember every technique was "new" at some point, and I'm sure there were people that disapproved because it was new. Throw it out there; if it sticks to the wall, then people will be asking you to show them how.

A caution though. Every new idea goes through 3 stages:

(1) Everybody says it's totally wrong.
(2) Everybody says it might be OK but it has been done before.
(3) Everybody knew it all along.



Arash -> RE: Is this a proper technique? (Feb. 27 2009 13:38:16)

I remember reading somewhere that Pulgar technique originally arose because those tocaores in the past wasn´t able to play melody without any other finger than the thumb (besides playing some rasgueos).
Which of course developed during the years and is now been played in perfection and high complexity.

So, of course there are no boundries and maybe in some years we will have some techniques which we dont know anything about at the moment.

However, me personlly, i will keep learning the "established" techniques for the time being as there is so much to learn and improve which would probably take the rest of my life.[;)]



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