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Jon Boyes -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Mar. 18 2004 12:51:39)

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ORIGINAL: gerundino63
I think it is very useful to built up slowly a repetoire with "songs"
It keeps you remember and study every technique, it is easy to put practicing into a song, take a solea, put some rasgueado in it some alzapua, a tremolo, llamada, and you have a song and practice everything at the same time.


Agreed. If you just practice exercises all the time, all you will able to play is exercises. If someone asks you to play them some flamenco, you won't get far playing a bunch of alzapua exercises, or some picado scales. Where's the music?

Also, building a repertoire of tunes/set pieces is a great motivator to someone learning the style. Personally I would find it tough if every practice session was just one exercise after another.

Also, you have to learn to go gracefully in out and any particular technique. Working on individual exercises will not teach you how to connect those things together to make music.

Also, most important of all, how are you going to learn the compas if you practice just exercises or individual techniques in isolation? To pick up on Patricks point about how the Spaniards learn, the important thing to remember is that they are brought up accompanying. This means from day one they are playing tunes, albeit improvised ones.
Most people don't have access to dances or singers, so learning some pieces at least is a good way of learning to play the compas of the palos.

I don't see that this has to be a black and white issue. Isolating technique is important, so is learning some pieces to put those techniques in context. But those don't need to other peoples compositions (if i can used that word), they could be ones you arrange yourself.

Jon




bindu_72 -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Mar. 18 2004 14:45:03)

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greetings, and, just to be curious, where do you come from?


I was born and still live in the U.K but my parents come from Bangladesh (gained independence from Pakistan in 1972)

By the way if I live to 110 years old Im gonna kick Paco's ass as well as John Mclaughlin and Al Di Meola - in fact I'll play La Barossa not-for-note backwards just for them - although it will probably sound crap - like the Spice girls or something.

Damn I hope they dont kick me off the forum for writing Spice girls - oh no Ive done it again !!!. Right, im off to wash my mouth out with disinfectant.

Bindu




Jon Boyes -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Mar. 18 2004 19:28:45)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bindu_72
Damn I hope they dont kick me off the forum for writing Spice girls - oh no Ive done it again !!!. Right, im off to wash my mouth out with disinfectant.


I must play you my "If you wanna be my lover, por Solea"

Jon




Tenshu -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Mar. 20 2004 15:00:07)

Anyone have Paco's El Pañuelo or La Villa Vieja?

Also: how about we put requests in new topic?

For example, my request would be a new post entitled

Req: Paco - El pañuelo or La villa vieja. Or something like that....

Gracias




flamenco_9 -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Mar. 21 2004 10:55:14)

hiii all here is a small falseta but great one of Gitanos Andaluces (bulerias) of paco de lucia please anybody tell me if he has thae whole melody >




Florian -> RE: La Barossa (Paco De Lucia) Tef (Mar. 23 2004 1:22:51)

I just found it , i am at work so i havent had time to check it out but here it is , tell me if its any good.




bindu_72 -> RE: La Barossa (Paco De Lucia) Tef (Mar. 23 2004 19:06:41)

Hi Florian,

I've had a look at the La Barossa tab - its quite good but far from being perfect, a lot of the timing is out but at least its recognisable. The only dissapointing thing was that it was'nt complete. The finale is not there !!!

But its good enough to learn from. Thanks.

Where did you get it from ?

Let me know if you manage to find the GK songs from the post before - hopefully Jon Boyes can dig something out on these.

Thanks again

Bindu [;)]




Jon Boyes -> RE: La Barossa (Paco De Lucia) Tef (Mar. 24 2004 10:23:33)

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ORIGINAL: bindu_72
Let me know if you manage to find the GK songs from the post before - hopefully Jon Boyes can dig something out on these.


Only just caught this - I emailed you a bunch of tabs last week to that email address you posted - didn't you get them?

Jon




bindu_72 -> RE: La Barossa (Paco De Lucia) Tef (Mar. 24 2004 21:38:22)

Hi Jon,

I didnt get the tabs on my hotmail account - can you resend them to my work email on :

bali1@jaguar.com

Thanks.[:D]




gkings -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Mar. 31 2004 18:20:28)

How about uploading them here so that we can all get them?

Just a thought...
-Gkings




Miguel de Maria -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Apr. 1 2004 0:48:59)

Does anyone have Barrio La Vina tab? I want to check my work and there's few parts I have that don't really match up...




Florian -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Apr. 3 2004 15:45:41)

There you go Miguel , let me know how you went.




bindu_72 -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Apr. 5 2004 13:01:33)

Gipsy Kings : Faena, Moorea and Inspiration tabs

Hi gkings,

As given to me by Jon Boyes. Thanks Jon.

Bindu.




Miguel de Maria -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Apr. 5 2004 16:56:35)

You're the man Florian, I'll go over it today and give you a report.




Miguel de Maria -> report on barrio la vina (Apr. 7 2004 20:14:39)

Florian, I went over Faucher's transcription (now I feel guilty, I'm going to have to buy a copy! :)), and compared it to my own transcription. Besides the fact that his 1's look weird, there were quite a few differences. One of them was that all of Paco's fast runs are sixteenth notes. I couldn't really figure them out, maybe he speeds up on these, as opposed to doing 5 or 6 notes per beat, as I assumed. I think he speeds up on his picado runs to show off and sacrifices compas. Although I will have to study it more, this is just an impression.

There are a couple of Paco's idiosyncracies that stood out. One of them is that he likes to use the thumb a lot, with the left hand in a spread position. Picture a barre chord with your fourth finger stretches out to hit the 9th, and that's basically the position. He does this a lot, using it as a melodic theme quite often in this song.

Paco plays with his thumb a lot, using lots of triplets in the formation of p slur p p. His remates are rather simple, and use the "downward" ornament of ima p, rather than ami p. I find this harder to do and expedite it by planting the ami before executing the ornament. It's still hard to doo fast and even, though.

Paco's picado is very fast of course, but I think one can still play this piece with a merely serviceable picado speed, perhaps sixteenth notes at 140-145. This isn't slow or anything but not nearly as fast as Paco gets up to. I think he gets up to sixteenth notes at 190 or so in this piece but I'm not sure. Most of the runs are in E minor, or E major first position, although he does do one run at the fourth position. Practice your scales folks! He doesn't play straight up and down either, he has little patterns, too.

The tremolo he plays is more complicated than one might think. Instead of playing bass and 4 identical notes he often throws in different notes on the "tremolo" part. It has a gracenote or ornamental feel, makes it sound more groovy and flamenco-ey, for sure.

Paco does a lot of this piece in first position. He uses a lot of out-of-key notes as passing tones, in a very tasty way. He alternates between E major and E minor a few times. He does some alzapua, and he does some index finger 'alzapua' as well. Play a bass note, then index down and up. it sounds like alzapua and I wouldn't have figured this out without the transcription. One nice thing about this technique is it teaches your fingers to stay near the strings and not flail around. Also you have to control how many strings you hit, sometimes you're not supposed to hit the open E string.

The little rasgeuo he does at the end is pretty much all 5 stroke x a m i i that we all learned starting out with soleares.

This is a pretty easy piece, given that's Paco's piece. Sure, to play with Paco's speed and power is impossible, but an advanced guitarist could add this to his repertoire with little problem. In fact, it's a good piece to learn because it's a great thumb workout, there's plenty of picado with various patterns, the left hand does a lot of stretches; add that there are also arpeggios, tricky tremolos, and lots of remates and golpes, and you have a "meaty" piece that will give you stuff to work on for months/years! :)




Billyboy -> RE: report on barrio la vina (Apr. 7 2004 23:26:56)

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Play a bass note, then index down and up. it sounds like alzapua

Another good example of this is the alzapua sounding bit in "El Tempul" Buleria from Fantasia Flamenco
Dave




duende -> RE: report on barrio la vina (Apr. 8 2004 16:02:49)

Watch out for the half compas. He does this in two places. As a solo pice it´s fine but if you play with palmas or a flamenco metronom you´ll be out of compas here.
I think the first is around his first piacado and the second around the end before he goes in to the rasgueado passage.
I wonder if paco does this on purpose. Or if it was a mistake?

Henrik




Miguel de Maria -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Apr. 8 2004 16:35:17)

My guess would be on purpose. But thanks for the tip, I'll check it out.




miguel -> Reflejo de la luna (Apr. 23 2004 9:04:26)

Hola Amigos mios

Do any of you kind souls have a tab or part of a tab for "reflejo de la luna"(by paco de lucia), i have done a little of it myself and would like to compare it with someone elses interpritation.

Gracias
MiguelP [sm=Smiley Guitar.gif]




Florian -> RE: Make your request for tablature here" reflejo de la luna" (Jun. 22 2004 20:03:09)

If you can read this good luck :)




miguel -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Jun. 23 2004 8:09:17)

Thanks Mate[:)]

regards
miguel




Jamey -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Jul. 8 2004 14:49:05)

I've been hunting for a while trying to find Paco Peña's Zorongo that appears on his "Fabulous Flamenco" and "Paco Peña 1972 - 1975" collections. I've been snooping around the web and haven't found anything referring to it other than album reviews. Does anybody know if there's a book available with that particular piece or if the tab is available online somewhere?

Any help is great appreciated.




Escribano -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Jul. 8 2004 17:49:07)

Sorry I can't help but maybe someone can. Welcome to the forum Jamey and have fun!




Florian -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Jul. 16 2004 17:07:07)

Jamey if you can find out the name of that piece I might have a better chance of finding it.




duende -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Jul. 16 2004 18:43:13)

Florian. i think the name is Zorongo. I have the cd (not with me) and i think it doesn´t have a name except Zorongo. I could be wrong.

Hej![:D]




Jamey -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Jul. 16 2004 21:00:06)

Florian, as Duende mentioned, it's simply labelled "Zorongo" on the CD (I hate it when they simply label a piece by it's form name, Peña's other 1971 CD titled "Flamenco" suffers the same naming issues). I guess this is part of the problem, if I do find a zorongo by Paco Peña, there's no guaranty that it is the same piece and not simply another zorongo.




flamenco_9 -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Aug. 21 2004 23:49:12)

Hiiiiiii everybody and special thanx to florian and AndyB for their great help.
I present for u my first tab bajo la parra (apuntes para flamenco) of Angel Barrios , I found it good tune and short and have flamenco influence....what it look like you think ?
hope you injoy it.




vabbb -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Aug. 28 2004 20:32:00)

Does anyone have sheet music for 'guitar romance' by Armik?




Florian -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Aug. 30 2004 8:11:41)

Pleasure flamenco_9 thank you for the present [:)]




Vabbb i am sorry mate i have nothing by Armik




abraham -> RE: Make your request for tablature here (Sep. 15 2004 18:09:53)

Hello everyone!

Am looking for Manolo Franco transcriptions, Amargo sabor de rosas (Colombiana), Luna de plata (Alegria) and Recuerdos (Solea).

Thanks, Abraham




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