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Arash -> Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 8 2009 10:37:39)

You dont hear much from Nino de Pura.

For me he is technically at the same level as Gerardo Nunez and also has some nice composition in his CDs.

I really would like him to make an "Encuentro" DVD or something.
I think technically you could learn A LOT from him.

Just check out this part from a Solea por Bulerias from 2002 which i uploaded:

http://rapidshare.com/files/195659640/Pura.mp3

Or this Bulerias:





gj Michelob -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 8 2009 10:59:25)

Wonderful Buleria Arash, but what makes you want to draw a parallel with Gerardo Nunez? De Pura's style seems quite different, maybe not as refined as Nunez, wouldn't you say.

I mean, there are (must) be a number of apparently under-appreciated flamencos out there, but what makes the few that are widely appreciated is that addtional "quid" which defines their own distinctive style.

What are your thoughts about Nino De Pura?




Arash -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 8 2009 11:18:25)

Well, i wrote "technically" at the same level. Because Gerardo is known as one of the guitarists with the best technique. Therefore i mentioned Gerardo. I dont see a parallel in the "style" between them either though.

But i think Nino de Pura has also a distinctive style. I have all his CDs and i think he has some very nice ideas and compositions and something special which is , well, "Nino de Pura" ...... and i would be happy to see and hear more from him.

Did you checked the "Solea por Bulerias"?




MarcChrys -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 8 2009 11:23:31)

I really enjoyed the bulerias - very jaunty, and I like how it flowed freely into different styles (technically beginners/intermediates could learn a lot from studying his right hand).

Maybe my imagination but does he permit himself a tiny smile at about 3.25 when he pulls off a speedy smooth picado ? :)




gj Michelob -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 8 2009 11:30:36)

Thank you Arash for your reply, i see your point. Don't misunderstand me, i like him and am glad you put him on the map, worth listening to, and learning a few things.

Yes, the Solea por Bulerias was also very nice.




pacowannab -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 8 2009 12:29:40)

Arash, I couldn't agree with you more - he is a great technician. His "Desde mi Giralda" solea is sublime.

Personally, I think that some players exemplify "technique in the service of technique (to the impoverishment of art)". Nino de Pura insn't one of those players.

Another highly underrated player is Manolo Franco. He is has stupendous technique. The acid test for any flamenco player is his guajiras. Not many can play that! I have tried and bruised my pride. He has been criticized as sounding too classical (ie not flamenco enough. This criticism doesn't resonate with me. He has some beautiful ideas and enviable technique. All hail the mighty professor!" I'd be interested to know what Todd K thinks of Manolo Franco.




Munin -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 8 2009 12:31:15)

I like his playing and some of the more fiery stuff, but some of his compositions veer dangerously close to elevator music territory (IMHO). Maybe that's a reason.




Ailsa -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 8 2009 14:12:34)

Both really well played. I think he did a concert in London last year but I wasn't able to get to it. I liked the SpB best. Thanks Arash.




MarcChrys -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 8 2009 14:20:00)

Thanks for the Manolo Franco recommendation - I'd not heard of him, but I just listened to...



and it made me tingle. Beautiful & classical (as you say) - I was getting a bit tired of listening to nuevo flamenco/rumba style ;-)




Arash -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 8 2009 15:02:41)

Here is another short part from one of Nino de Puras Alegrias from another Cd.

http://rapidshare.com/files/195750540/Alegrias.mp3

(Sorry, i can not upload here in General section and i dont want to upload audios from other guitarists than foromembers in the Upload section, as agreed)


p.s. i agree about Manolo Franco too. He is also a very good guitarist.




gj Michelob -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 8 2009 20:11:43)

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Thanks for the Manolo Franco recommendation - I'd not heard of him, but I just listened to...

and it made me tingle. Beautiful & classical (as you say) - I was getting a bit tired of listening to nuevo flamenco/rumba style ;-)


Just in case you didn't notice this video of Manolo Franco's Bulerias:





Pimientito -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 8 2009 23:13:26)

You guys know that Niño de Pura and Manolo Franco are a guitar duo?

Apart from their seperate projects the have been doing gigs together for many years. They are playing in the circuito Andalaluz this year and have at least 3 or gigs coming up. I know they have a gig in malaga theatre this month. Here is an Alegria (starts around 1.50)





Doitsujin -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 9 2009 7:00:26)

I saw Nino de Pura together with Manolo Franco 3-4 years ago here at my place. He already performed the compositions from pozo y caudal. Good player!
But he plays too much picado...




NormanKliman -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 9 2009 11:57:05)

He's on Pansequito's "A mi bahía" from 2001. It's an excellent recording, although there are tracks with drum machines, multi-tracked guitars, etc. Smart arrangements, great accompaniment, controlled virtuosity... It's meant to be a commercial version of bay-area [:D] flamenco, so it's a bit light but still very satisfying, and not just because Panseco is such a great singer. Niño de Pura has definitely got a lot of talent.
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But he plays too much picado...

A number of years ago, I saw him play a fandango de Huelva that ended with a picado that went on for more than a minute non-stop. It was really overdoing it, IMO. Don't know if he's still playing like that today, though.




Arash -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 9 2009 12:58:04)

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ORIGINAL: NormanKliman

A number of years ago, I saw him play a fandango de Huelva that ended with a picado that went on for more than a minute non-stop. It was really overdoing it, IMO. Don't know if he's still playing like that today, though.



I bet you mean this one (starting 1:10) [;)].......(but awful sound quality in this Vid)



Well, yes it is too much from compositional point of view,,,,, insanely difficult from technical point of view though! (this is good if you want to loose some weight or would like to have this tendovaginitis as soon as possible, i suppose)[:D]

btw, i like Pansequitos voice very much. he is a great singer.
I also like his Album "Como los gitanos eramos" with Tomatito. The only think i dont like is that always 2 guitars are recorded over eachother...this makes it too "busy"




Taranto -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 9 2009 13:09:04)

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would like to have this tendovaginitis as soon as possible

or would like to blow your cojones as big as couple of baseballs.




Ron.M -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 9 2009 13:33:17)

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or would like to blow your cojones as big as couple of baseballs.


You can get penicillin for that, (so I've been told)....[:D]


cheers,

Ron




XXX -> RE: Underappreciated - Nino de Pura (Feb. 10 2009 0:13:13)

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ORIGINAL: Ron.M

quote:

or would like to blow your cojones as big as couple of baseballs.


You can get penicillin for that, (so I've been told)....[:D]



Oooh, that was a good one Ron! Didnt know it.




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