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Exitao -> RE: Palmas Exercises (Feb. 3 2009 13:01:03)
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ORIGINAL: Pimientito
Ok, I guessed a reply like that was coming. I'll try to be more helpful. I don't think its possible to learn palmas from a book.
Unlike a book, this forum is interactive. I can say "I don't get it" to a book and it has a very limited number of responses. However, in the forum, we can reflect back what we think we're reading and get feedback if we're understanding correctly.
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The Spanish learn simply by being in environments where they hear it all the time...same as learning a language. There are specific patterns in the off beats that you get used to listening to and copying. If you cant hear and feel these variations I am pretty sure that you cant learn them (but i might be wrong)
Yes, environment is a huge advantage. But here's an anecdote/analogy for you:
I spent a month in China. For the first 2.5 weeks, I hated it. It was the first time my little talent for languages had failed me. One day while I was out wandering around, I went into a bookstore and found some books on learning Chinese. I bought a few, but there was one with audio, that right at the beginning, explained the 5 tones, in a way that I could suddenly clearly "hear" the difference between them. See, the reason why I couldn't hear them, is because I had no clue what to listen for.
With the cultural/social diversity available on the forum, I think that between us, we could find ways to work it out.
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Now one can write them down for analaysis after learning them and say something like " a typical buleria palmas is 12 consecutive beats starting on 12 accented on 12, 3, 7, 8 and 10 with contratiempo on beats 1+, 7+, 8+ and 9+. Beat 11 is omitted on subsequent compas. Variations will omit beat 12 allowing a contra of 1,1+, 2, 3 to accent the start of each compas. Final variations will apply contra tiempo to each half beat from 12 to 10 in each compas"
You are going to have a stroke working out compas this way[;)]
Certainly, however, there's already a fair bit of analysis available, here in the forum, and elsewhere (see my links thread in the Resources sub-forum). Which brings me back to my original phrasing... if people with experience can give us some exercises, to practise, we have a more practical approach.
At the very least, just knowing what palmeros do, is very informative.
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My suggestion is learn it aurally like the Spanish by
1. Finding someone to practise palmas with.
2. Attending a local dance school and practice compas with the dancers.
3. Some of us could upload palmas variations to practice with at home.
(this would be a seriously useful resource )
BTW- I met a lot of dancers who CANT do compas. They know the on beats but dont know the variations and its simply due to lack of practice. I get to practice palmas several hours a week just by going to some local bars.
EDIT - Just checked the thread you posted. Its exactly what I was saying. Its much easier to write about palmas if you can already do it.
1. Some people don't have local people, but they have the foro.
2. There are some people who don't have access to schools or teachers. For them this foro has been a Godsend, why not make it better?
3. Now you're cooking with gas!
RE: your BTW, those dancers could benefit from the foro, should we ever get this thread off the ground and get them to visit (we do need more dancers, maybe you should print out some cheap business cards for us and give them out to the prettiest girls you meet [8D] or at least the ones who ar friendly and helpful). I'm glad that a) you have so much time to go to bars, and b) that you get to do it in flamenco bars. But I kind of hate you for it too.
Luv,
eX
[8D]
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