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Merle

Posts: 218
Joined: Jul. 6 2003

Peteneras

Hello everyone, I just wanted to let you know what happened the last few days regarding a peteneras that I play.

Well, I sent Paul Bruhns, via email, a peteneras that I play. He listened to it and wrote me back, sending me some samples, and also, recording with his OWN VOICE (which was cool to hear him talking to me) and explained to me how to actually play this palo. He showed me and TOLD me where I was missing a key ingrediant in my playing of this palo.

I can't explain what he did for me, but, my point of this post is, Paul's advice and his seemingly genuine interest of my music, and his explainations REALLY helped me TONS!! He talked to me on his recording like we were in the same room!

I really think that this approach to teaching could be very beneficial if more of us would do what Paul did for me. He took the time out in his life for someone that does not even know me, recorded himself and peteneras examples of his playing, and teaching me what I could do to make a better sounding palo.

The approach that Paul took while corresponding with me, by actually talking in person to me on his recordings and feedback to me, was probably the best lesson a person could get that is 1,000 miles away!

Now, that is the way to teach! And, to Paul, I give my thanks! That was way to cool! That was a lesson I will always remember!

Thanks again,

Merle

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 27 2003 23:48:16

Paul Bruhns

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Joined: Jul. 14 2003

RE: Peteneras (in reply to Merle)

Hey Merle:

We're all equals here...Literally! I enjoyed listening to your music, and I was happy to give you a few pointers via audio files. You play great by the way, especially considering there are NO peers in your area that you can collaborate with.

Maybe you and I are on to something. Anyone with a basic SB recorder program on their PC can send an audio file to another (Equal) member, and they can respond and exchange an idea.

Seems to me there would be a whole lot less misunderstanding going on, and less of egos getting in the way of getting the point accross?

That was fun, hope we can do it again sometime.

Regards,
Paul

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 28 2003 0:32:58

Merle

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Joined: Jul. 6 2003

RE: Peteneras (in reply to Paul Bruhns)

Paul, you da man today!!

I really appreciate what you did for me, that was totally, wonderful!!

Merle

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 28 2003 4:23:35

Escribano

Posts: 6415
Joined: Jul. 6 2003
From: England, living in Italy

RE: Peteneras (in reply to Merle)

Did you use the private inbox facility on this forum or regular email? You can also ask me for a private forum of your own where you define a set of members, say a one to one, and it will be hidden from the others.

I would be interested to help as that is the kind of thing Kate would need for her on-line flamenco school.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 28 2003 8:24:22

Phil

Posts: 382
Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Rota, Spain

RE: Peteneras (in reply to Merle)

Merle,
You don't heart Peterneras much nowadays but I think it's starting to make a comeback. The popularity of certain Flamenco palos seems to run in cycles. The new CD that my teacher plays on (he's accompanying a singer named Cristobal del Palomar) has a Peterneras. If you'd like I'll post a short mp3 sample of part of it.
Phil

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 28 2003 22:59:48

Thomas Whiteley

Posts: 786
Joined: Jul. 8 2003
From: San Francisco Bay Area

RE: Peteneras (in reply to Phil)

Phil;

We had a Peneneras at a Juerga not too long ago. No one died.

Everything is cyclic to some extent. I learned Alegrias in A, then it seems it went to E and C, and now some people are playing it in A again. Standstill and the world will return, as you knew it - some day.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 28 2003 23:12:36

Phil

Posts: 382
Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Rota, Spain

RE: Peteneras (in reply to Merle)

quote:

Everything is cyclic to some extent. I learned Alegrias in A, then it seems it went to E and C, and now some people are playing it in A again.

Tom,

Richard Parker, who was a regular poster at FT, is in Spain right now and I had the opportunity to meet him last week. He played an Alegrias for me in A and we had a discussion about this very subject. I originally learned it in A and E. At that time A was the position preferred for dance and E for just singing. Today C is the preferred position (unless you're up to the 7th fret or so with the capo) for solo singing and E for the baile. It probably has to do with the inability to play a Cm in the open position. In fact, I'm finally learning it in C at this very moment. It would be my luck that just as soon as I become somewhat competent playing it in C that they'll change back to A (which I've long forgotten).

Phil

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 29 2003 1:10:49

Thomas Whiteley

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From: San Francisco Bay Area

RE: Peteneras (in reply to Phil)

Phil;

Seems lijke every time Katy and I are about to go up to Chico to see Richard something happens! Maybe we should go to Spain to see him! Trouble is I know we would not come back!

I think I could play Alegrias in A in my sleep! I have played for more than a few dancers. I think it becomes automatic after the first 40 years.

We played Alegrias in E and they called it Alegria por Rosa.

About five years ago some young fellow was saying, "I do not play any of that old junk from 10 years ago"! I told him I play that old junk from the late 1950's.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 29 2003 5:04:27

Miguel de Maria

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Joined: Oct. 20 2003
From: Phoenix, AZ

RE: Peteneras (in reply to Merle)

I have heard several Peterneras´around here, one at a Misa Flamenco in Triana. It´s a nice palo, containing what my teacher says is the essence of flamenco, in a very direct way.

But most of the time around here you just hear solea, bulerias, siguriyas, alegrias, tangos. It´s a bit monotonous, there is so much flamenco out there I would like to see more variety live. On Friday in Triana, some guys from Jerez came and played an hour just of bulerias! Even our bulerias-lovers were feeling a bit shell shocked after that one.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 29 2003 13:10:40

Bob Arbuckle

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Joined: Jul. 16 2003

RE: Peteneras (in reply to Merle)

Hi Merle and Others,

My teacher has been using Peteneras as an intro for other songs. It creates quite a contrast to sevillianas among others.

He begins slowly and includes cante/Dancers and suddenly jumps to a fast Sevillianas.
Pretty cool...
Bob

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 30 2003 19:25:57