RE: Vicentes POETA

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paleto3

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Joined: Nov. 7 2008
From: San Diego, CA

RE: Vicentes POETA (in reply to Adam)

These guys have it on their site - https://www.luthiermusic.com/

I got it from a Portuguese music store but I can't remember the site anymore.

Try Luthier, they are a good store.

-Anthony

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 11 2008 20:43:23

Taranto

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RE: Vicentes POETA (in reply to paleto3)

Generally when flamencos do orchestral work leaving out flamenco it ends up as Arash said elevator music rather than classical music on a par with Concierto de Aranjuez. Hey what does Vicente know about Palestrina or orchestration?

Here I'm not talking about works such as Fantasia Flamenca because the flamenco element isn't missing there, rather orchestra is added to flamenco.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2008 2:02:35

XXX

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RE: Vicentes POETA (in reply to Taranto)

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ORIGINAL: Taranto

it ends up as Arash said elevator music

Vicentes Poeta is not suited for elevator music. If played in an elevator, the elevator would get stuck because it is so cheesy. (muhahahah)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2008 2:17:30

Florian

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From: Adelaide/Australia

RE: Vicentes POETA (in reply to XXX)

lol

well i have allready given my opinion so i cant add much more but il just say this...

its funny how your taste change over the years..what u didnt like 2 years or 4 years ago u love now and give it more chance etc...

the track u keped fast fowarding past is now your absolute favourite

the music u found over the top and boring 3 years ago now all the suddent intrigues you and u see a certain something in it

the sound u didnt think was flamenco last week is all the suddent you fav this week

never say never

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2008 3:43:31

Arash

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From: Iran (living in Germany)

RE: Vicentes POETA (in reply to Florian)

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ORIGINAL: Florian

its funny how your taste change over the years..what u didnt like 2 years or 4 years ago u love now and give it more chance etc...

the track u keped fast fowarding past is now your absolute favourite

the music u found over the top and boring 3 years ago now all the suddent intrigues you and u see a certain something in it

the sound u didnt think was flamenco last week is all the suddent you fav this week

never say never

i agree 100% with this. I dont know what i will like in 20 years. maybe something completely different than what i like now. maybe even no more flamenco?! (i dont hope so

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2008 4:54:31

MarcChrys

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From: England (West Yorkshire/Lancashire)

RE: Vicentes POETA (in reply to Arash)

I hope you weren't including 'Poeta' as an example of 'elevator music'? Personally, it's my favourite Vicente Amigo album - the combination of orchestra, poetry and guitar really suits his style (he IS a dreamy visionary rather than a traditional 'flamenco' guitarist). One track in particular (haven't got CD by me, but I think it's Track 14, starts with a truly beautiful guitar 'riff' then develops into a full orchestral tumult) brings me to tears.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 31 2009 1:34:06

Adam

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From: Hamilton, ON

RE: Vicentes POETA (in reply to paleto3)

Bump!

I mean...

I agree with MarcChrys 100% on "Poeta". I've found a few more good examples of classical/flamenco fusion to add to the list. I'm listening to Miriam Méndez's "Bach por Flamenco" for the first time right now and I'm blown away - not just by the quality of her playing (or her face!), but the sheer originality. Yes, she's playing old pieces, but the flamenco-ization (with cante and everything) is very non-trivial, and works to great effect.

I'm also about to pop in Miguel Poveda's new "Cante i Orquestra" and hope to give some thoughts on it soon.

Enrique Morente has two very interesting efforts as well: "Alegro Soleá" and "Fantasía de Cante Jondo".

Here's the list I've got of all flamenco/classical fusion efforts (haven't listened to them all). Let's try to build on this? I'll put a star next to ones I especially dig.

*Vicente Amigo - Poeta
Gerardo Núñez - Salome
Enrique Morente - Fantasía de Cante Jondo
Enrique Morente - Alegro Soleá
*Miriam Méndez - Bach por Flamenco
*Gustavo Montesano - Flamenco Fantasy
Miguel Poveda - Cante i Orquestra
Juan Carmona - Sinfonía Flamenca
*Camarón - Soy Gitano
Manolo Sanlúcar - Fantasía para Guitarra y Orquesta
*Manolo Sanlúcar - Medea

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 28 2009 21:26:46

Ricardo

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RE: Vicentes POETA (in reply to Adam)

sorry but....

This is a little better I guess:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 29 2009 6:11:57

Florian

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RE: Vicentes POETA (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

sorry but....

Ahem

....ha HA HAAAAAAAAA ha HAAAAAAAA ha HAAAAAAAAAAAm

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 29 2009 6:20:47

mark indigo

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RE: Vicentes POETA (in reply to Taranto)

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Hey what does Vicente know about Palestrina or orchestration?

btw, didn't Cuban Composer (and classical guitarist) Leo Brouwer do the orchestration?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 29 2009 8:21:33

Estevan

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From: Torontolucía

RE: Vicentes POETA (in reply to mark indigo)

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btw, didn't Cuban Composer (and classical guitarist) Leo Brouwer do the orchestration?

Yes. He's a clever orchestrator (and was a great performer before a hand injury interrupted that aspect of his career). I haven't heard Poeta but the samples online sure sound like him in his movie-music mode.
Leo was the founding director of the Orquesta de Cordoba, which is probably how he met Vicente, and he has always had an interest in flamenco.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 29 2009 8:53:18

Adam

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RE: Vicentes POETA (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

sorry but....

Yeah, alright, the singing doesn't work :P

quote:

This is a little better I guess:

I think that's pretty cool. Call me crazy.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 29 2009 12:27:57

avimuno

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From: Paris, France

RE: Vicentes POETA (in reply to paleto3)

I like the album... it's not straight flamenco but it's still great music, and I don't agree with the elevator music comparison, Vicente is a great composer (although some might argue that he gets a bit too 'sugary' with the jazz 2-5-1 harmonic changes sometimes).
My favorite flamenco/orchestra album is 'Medea' by Sanlucar though... it's just stunning. like anything he does!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 3 2009 16:25:38

XXX

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RE: Vicentes POETA (in reply to Adam)

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ORIGINAL: ramparts

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

sorry but....

Yeah, alright, the singing doesn't work :P

Doesnt work is very politely said. Maybe one could call it A crime against humanity

Bach por Flamenco is a great idea, sounds not crazy to me and its probably not a new idea. I like Bach anyway.
The idea is great, but the playing doesnt shock me. I would rather like to see somebody like Diego Amador doing this, because he is technically better suited to bring more flamenco in such a project. This was more like an "arrangement" of Bach pieces for flamenco, little imrpovisation and little flamenco influence IMO (compared to how Diego plays).

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 4 2009 2:59:50