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Miguel de Maria

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Joined: Oct. 20 2003
From: Phoenix, AZ

A little slow around here? 

I didn´t want to say anything but there is a bit of scarcity of posts around here, don´t you all think? I´m quite addicted to flamenco, so I love to tune in to flamenco info, debate, etc. I decided to take another look at the FT site, and found the ambiance not to my taste, particularly because of glimpsing a few familar names we thankfully don´t have here. And then look at this!

¨Dudes and dudettes. Everybody chill. We all love Flamenco and are passionate about it, hence the flare ups. There's no reason to get all up in arms about anything here. Enjoy it for what it is (without a debate over "what it is" ;-) ). Just be glad there's a place to share your passion with other like-minded folks (regardless of small discrepancies in opinion).

I've stayed off of all the boards over the years, never once joining or voicing my existance. When this one came back up, for whatever reason I decided to stop lurking. I think I'll go back to it because people are just having too much difficulty with keeping differences of opinion getting out of hand. I don't want to get in on that action.
Bye for now.¨

Same old FT, huh? Well I can´t see myself going back, but in my opinion we need to get this board going, it´s kind of stifled. I love the guys here on FF, but we need you all to speak up! What´s going on in your flamenco life?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 26 2003 12:52:46
 
Thomas Whiteley

 

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From: San Francisco Bay Area

RE: A little slow around here? (in reply to Miguel de Maria

Michael;

I saw the post you referred to on the FT. Then for kicks I went to the Hangover Forum and dug out Dimitris post of 6-16 to us and made a copy. Today I cannot access the Hangover Forum. Such is life. Well, things have changed on the FT as they have gone from almost 200 posts a day to a hand full. The content on the FT seems different but what does not change with time?

As for this forum there is a bit going on. Quality is better than quantity. I would not judge this forum or any other from the number of posts. There are some activities going on such as the group Tango, Patrick and I will be putting together a document to help explain different ways to record audio using a computer, people upload audio examples and receive comments, and there seems to be a good attitude expressed by everyone here.

Remember this is still a new forum and we are still getting things together. The best way to get something going is to ask questions or even give opinions.

I use flamenco as a means of stress relief. After working as a programmer at NUMMI in Fremont, California (Toyota and General Motors) I need some way to relax and flamenco sure helps me! We have lots of stress at work. An example of this is that 3 people died from heart attacks in April, two more had heart attacks but survived, and none had a history of heart trouble. If our production line stops it costs $36,000 a minute. My group writes the computer programs that run the production line. Our plant is 6 million square feet, three stories and has 5500 workers. Our electric bill for January was $1.5 million.

I mention these things because I live with it everyday. At age 61 I am so tired of the rat race. I have worked as an electronics engineer and programmer. Technology is a god that will drain your soul if you let it. Living in Silicon Valley (the land of GREED) can be very stressful.

So, what do I do to relax? Model trains, read, photography, flamenco and many other things. At present I am working a lot with my computer recording using my new Digital Audio Workstation (fancy word for computer), Buleria Handbook, and a few other projects – all of which use a computer! Man – I cannot get away from this stuff!

One more thing I am doing is trying to improve the audio quality of some recordings from Diego del Gastor that someone made many years ago. This is very interesting and if I can improve the audio quality that would be great for the person who owns the tapes.

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Thomas Whiteley

 

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RE: A little slow around here? (in reply to Guest

Andy;

I have heard Diego play good and bad music. When he was good it is something I cannot forget! When he was bad it was because of too much alcohol, and lack of sleep. Personally, I think the reason Diego and so many other flamenco’s die relatively young is the life style. Staying up for one to three days for a fiesta and drinking all day to keep a slight buzz on is not a healthy life style.

Diego’s style of playing involved reaching emotions and not a flurry of notes. He was not a technical genius or virtuoso of the guitar. What I enjoy from his music is the feeling he could convey.

Each flamenco guitarist I have known has had a different approach to the guitar. I have mentioned that we called Carlos Montoya “The Carpenter”, as he had a heavy hand. Carlos was the first (many say) to earn a living from solo flamenco guitar playing, suggested by his American wife. The playing of Sabicas was so clear. Juan Serrano has his own style. It is interesting to note how these guitarists played accompaniment. That is a different story as solo guitar and accompaniment are very different subjects.

I must add that I enjoy your musical abilities, knowledge and exchanging thoughts as we have done over the last several years. There is nothing wrong with not liking a particular style of music and I certainly respect your viewpoint. Now when it comes to rock, rap and most country and western, I am ready to scream in defense. Everyone has a point of view and music taste. Mine is just not “main stream”.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 26 2003 15:06:10
 
Thomas Whiteley

 

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RE: A little slow around here? (in reply to Miguel de Maria

Michael;

Now see what you have done? Things were nice and quiet around here until you spoke up!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 26 2003 15:09:31
 
Merle

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RE: A little slow around here? (in reply to Miguel de Maria

Maestro Michael, how's the lessons in Spain coming? You gonna be a verfied flamenco when you come back!

I've been busy trying to complete a practice CD for family and friends, and have not posted much lately. Anyway, as a beginner, I can't really offer anyone any meaningful advice/tips.

But, your post about your left hand got me to thinking about mine. So, I put on Oscar Herrero's 3rd video and watched all of his left hand practice examples. I have started to incorporated a new left hand technique each day during my daily technique practice, and I already see considerable difference!! The finger streaching exercises are great, and the ligado exercises are a bitch on your left hand, but, already I can tell the defference in volume and sound when I play a tarantos that uses lots of ligado.

Herrero teaches several good left hand practice techniques, and if you don't have this vedio, try to get it. It is well worth it, IMO.

In the next few coming weeks, I'm going to watch the 1st and 2nd vedio and pick up new practice techniques, and review what I have already learned to make sure that I'm playing correctly. Every time I watch these vedios, I alway come away with something new, or something that I missed or overlooked.

Anyway, come home safe, marry that wonderful girl of yours, send me any babies that you two may not want, and get out and show Arizona some real flamenco!! ;>)

Merle

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 26 2003 16:30:08
 
Phil

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From: Rota, Spain

RE: A little slow around here? (in reply to Miguel de Maria

Michael,
I haven’t posted anything on FT since the big crash-and-burn. But today I was just about to post something there when I saw the post you referenced and dug down to find out what generated it. Well, what happened was that the forum owner went ballistic again over what I consider a very innocuous post where somebody that we all know was simply making a comment. I know I’m being hardheaded, but I just can’t bring myself to participate on that forum anymore.

As far as this forum goes: yes, it has been a little slow this weekend. However, keep in mind that it’s still new and a lot of people haven’t found it yet. Maybe we should post a link at FT :-) and invite the guy that posted that message. He sounds like he’d be a good addition to this forum. As Tom pointed out, people here are coming up with some very interesting ideas, and I believe that this forum will eventually develop into the best Flamenco forum ever. Give it a little more time and keep you posts from Sevilla coming. I’ve found them to be extremely interesting.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 26 2003 19:15:07
 
Phil

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RE: A little slow around here? (in reply to Guest

quote:

That crab exercise that Florian shared was fantastic!

Andy,
How is that crab exercise supposed to be done? I’m not clear on the instructions: “Practice legato (connected); don’t play notes short or detached.” Could you shed some light on that?

quote:

But I have yet to hear anything recorded by Diego del Gastor that impressed me in a positive fashion.

I only have 1 recording of DdG. He’s accompanying Joselero por Solea and it’s simple but very “jondo” and absolutely unique. I’ve never heard anyone else play a Solea like that. I have heard a few other recordings of him on Spanish radio, but I’m more familiar with his music as played by and filtered through his nephews Dieguito de Moron and Paco del Gastor. Overall, I like the Moron style. There’s an earthiness to it that really grabs me. I’d like to hear more of Diego himself playing, but it appears that most recordings of him were done by private individuals. They don’t seem to be available unless you’re part of the inner circle of Moronies :-)

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I'm also interesting in trading tabs/falsetas but not too many people seem interested

I posted a message on Flamenco Hangover a while back asking if anybody was iterested in swapping tabs of falsetas and never got any response. I'm more interested in individual falsetas rather than complete pieces. I never learn the complete pieces anyway and end up just learning a falseta or two. Usually the easiest ones. So I, for one, am interested in swapping tabs.

Phil
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Thomas Whiteley

 

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RE: A little slow around here? (in reply to Miguel de Maria

Michael;

If you think it is slow around here try the Flamenco Forum Hangover! There has not been a post there since July 19th. That could be good news if everyone found his/her way over here.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 27 2003 0:23:53
 
Thomas Whiteley

 

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RE: A little slow around here? (in reply to Guest

Andy;

I have a MP 3 of Diego and Fernanda doing a Bulerias that I like. Would you like to have a copy? It is a bit over 1 meg.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 27 2003 5:24:34
 
Escribano

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RE: A little slow around here? (in reply to Miguel de Maria

Summer and vacations and aside, we are not a public forum and I haven't put us into any search engines yet so passing traffic is slow.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 27 2003 10:18:25
 
Miguel de Maria

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RE: A little slow around here? (in reply to Miguel de Maria

Wow, I go to Marchena for half a day and get back and there´s a monton of posts! Great! I don´t mind paying an extra .60€ to read them all, either.

Last night some friends and I took the 7 oclock to Marchena, which is maybe 30 min. away from Sevilla, to see the 13th annual Festival de la Guitarra, which this year is an homage to Pepe de Marchena (whoever that is). The bus ride took us an hour and a half, as we were taking the scenic route and got to see lots of nice Spanish tenements and run down factories.

Now Marchena is a lovely little town! Imagine barrio Santa Cruz, but cleaner and without tourists. We roved around for an hour looking for a place to eat, until finally someone led us to the back of this splendid, turn of the century hotel to a charming little bar, filled with people in suits and celebrating a wedding. It was amazing how nice the people who worked there were to us, giving food recommendations and putting on Jose Merce for us. I didn´t know what to make of it until I realize that in Marchena they must not get very many tourists, and so they were genuinely curious about us. Every guy who worked there must have asked us how we liked our food. Anyone who has ever been to Spain must know that the service there must be among the worst in the world. But these guys were really nice to us!

Then we walked to the festival, up some old cobbled stairs through the Arco de las Rosas, through an old Moorish wall some fifty feet high, into an elevated part of the town. There was a plaza, with a beautiful iglesia with a high belltower, with the stage set up right in front of the door. Rows and rows of wooden seats and some guys drilling holes into the side of the church in order to hang up a tapestry completed the scene.

We ran into Miguel Angel Cortes, one of my teachers at the school, and he informed us the festival would last to 3 or 4 in the morning at least!

Enrique de Melchor and Jose Menese were the headliners, but Enrique was a no-show. As a result, Jose Postigo, who also teaches at my school, did the opening guitar solo, a marvel of heavy handed picado and machine like alzapua por solea. Postigo must be a local boy, because all the old timers were shouting his name and giving him lots of jaleo.

Then there was an interminable period dominated by what must have been home town musicians, amateurs. I won´t mentar nombres but this was some of the worst flamenco I have ever seen, a gentleman who had not evolved past Ramon Montoya and who could´t play a single compas without flubbing a note or two, a bunch of amateur singers who screamed loud and who would only sing libre (presumably because they were unable to sing in compas?).

Then some woman named Merchora something came up with Postigo, just fabulous. These performers do this trick that I love. They are singing and then they leave the mic and just do it acoustic. Immediatedly the whole plaza goes completely quiet, the guitarist has to back off of the mic real fast, and then the singer does a copla without amplification. It´s quite impressive and always an emotional moment.

Then Jose Menese came on with Jose Postigo. Menese has a funny mannerism in that when he gets really into it, he reaches out and grabs the guitarist. I saw him do that to my teacher Eduardo Rebollar, who was surprised and everyone on stage was smiling. Last night, he didn´t grab Postigo very hard but just laid his hand on his leg sometimes.

After Menese was a gentleman named Arcangel, who is young and charismatic and can really, really sing. If you like cante I would humbly suggest getting this young man´s CD, for he has a great voice and personality. The ladies in our group fell in love with him! I did too! He was accompanied by Miguel Cortes, one of my teachers, who played well, in the only modern style at the whole festival. However, his playing lacked rhythmic drive and a lot of his falsetas kind of sucked. Still, a good performance because of the singer.

We waited for the bus and it came at 6 am more or less on the dot. My old, nasty bed with the springs poking my back never felt so good! (except when I got home from the other festival two weeks ago!)
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