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I don't talk politics on the net. Flamenco modern and trad is bad enough! So you can't reel me in that easy. I thought the vid speaks for me clear enough as it is.
lol fair enough..i didnt mind the discusion too much, it was controvertial, educational, confruntational..we pointed fingers at eachother blaming eachoter (that reminds me i have to visit my mom ) everything a interesting discusion should be.. but it is about time to get back to flamenco..
"A statesman is an easy man, creates his lies by rote..... A journalist invents his lies, and shoves them down your throat.... So relax, enjoy your ale, and let the neighbors vote"
America is a really large country, there's a lot of backward ideas and ignorant people for sure, but there's also some of the most fantastic minds, from guys like George Carlin to the people behind these initiatives:
You can off course say the same thing about most countries.. I like the Einstein quote: 'Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.'
I applaud America for making a move towards more enlightened times by electing Obama. I'm cautiously hopeful about this change business.
I'm not working to enable our government to save the world-I don't make that much :-) Paying for my house, my kid's education, heathcare, etc. is what I'm working for.
Well, isnt everbody just working for their houses, kids and healtcare? But somehow a war gets financed with it. What im saying goes beyond electing new leaders, and is somehow connected to what this comedian said in the video in Ricardos post. The king is only king because the people refer to him as a folk. Its just not true that only a "small" group of men (and even if its the upper ten thousand) could reign a whole nation. They have to be sure of the support from those who work and create goods, who have the money. Its not about America that goes for every state. As a single citizen you have to work and pay taxes. But you are not the one who decides about your work results and taxes. Its not possible for you for example, to say that your money and the products you produce should not be invested in war. Therefore its really not so, that ALL citizens are unguilty, when it comes to war. If you are not happy with that, its up to you how much it is worth to you. Electing new "leaders" will just keep you in the role of a citizen. Electing is like electing a menue from a card. You are in the hands of the restaurant. I would prefer to cook
No i would never say such a thing. My point was more, even if you think you have nothing to do with the "whole war thing"... thats kind of not true buddy. The "power" needed to do warfare (build weapons, streets, houses,...) is taken from the nation as a whole (through taxes, menpower,...), from which you are a member. I said even if your intentions were good, and you were against a war, you are actually not in the decision of it. You are a piece in the system. They dont work for you, you work for them. It is simply not possible to do war without the neccessary support of the masses. And as i said, this goes for every state, so, dont feel attacked in your pride or something. Believe me, your pride is the last thing im focusing on.
Actually i would like to know what you have to say about my last answers to you too. It leaves a little a bad taste to answer a one-liner.
And as i said, this goes for every state, so, dont feel attacked in your pride or something. Believe me, your pride is the last thing im focusing on.
Not at all. THis is not about that. I just don't agree with the statement "if the intentions were good and you were against the war...". Quite a lot of presumption there. I would say that my intentions were good and I was always and am for the war. Mind you, not any war. I think war is evil, but in this case a necessary evil.
I don't see US as an agressor at all. I see it as a retaliation, justified response to the actions of muslim extemists. I also think there is an alterior motive of controlling region's resources. But in this particular case it is also justified. Had this been and normal part of the world community we would have traded with them like with everyone else. But that is not the case. Many people have forgotten what happened on 9/11 and, as I said before, to assume that there is no relationship between Taliban and Iraq is childish.
So I do not have a problem with my taxes going to military purposes. I do have a problem with my taxes being used for corporate bailout.
Yes and there are still a lot of unanswered questions as far as what actually happened. There are many 'inconsistancies' in the governments official line on the chain of events that day. Watch this video and come to your own conclusion.
I also think there is an alterior motive of controlling region's resources. But in this particular case it is also justified. Had this been and normal part of the world community we would have traded with them like with everyone else. But that is not the case. Many people have forgotten what happened on 9/11 and, as I said before, to assume that there is no relationship between Taliban and Iraq is childish.
yeah they not like the "normal world community" they are "the aces of evil"..we got all that on tv...at first they were making nuclear bombs...then we couldnt find any so we changed the name to Free Iraq...excuse me if i dont choose to buy the bulshit propaganda Bush was selling
Reminds me of the Natzy propaganda on Jews..."they not like us"..absolute crap theres no such thing as "evil people"..absoluteley everyone is the same and wants the same things...just some people are born the wrong colour, or religion or on the wrong side of the border...or the wrong side of political ambitions
the funy thing is that most of the wars and killing and arguing and fake patriotism is built around some rich kid's personal political ambitions or religious belifs..and the worst thing is that those that eazly influenced eat it all up .....
none of us will know whats really going on atm we might find out whats really going on in 100 years if we lucky but one thing is for sure...inocent poor people are still dying for the ideals of a handfull of rich people who arent doing any fighting themselfs
they need to start giving out Oscars to those handfull of people who though propaganda have convinced people ignore they'r instincts to forghet common sence and thinking for themselfs...selling a war on tv ...now thats showbusines !
10 million people in 2 diff counties that absoluteley hate eachother..yet the majority of people themselfs have never seen or spoken to eachother, have no idea on what the other is thinking, they might have more in common then they realize....they hate for eachother fueled and inspired by a handfull of poloticians and a few cleverly placed propaganda cameras..
that's why i dont subscribe to patriotism or any government ideals for that matter..i only subscribe to common sence and personal sence and intuition of whats wrong and right..and i dont care what country says it, and what tv news program is trying to sell it....in my mind and belifs i am my own president and take my own sence of truth and justice over anyones..i got a prety good chance of beeing a litlle closer to the truth too since i dont gain anything personaly or have ulterior motives to lie to myself..one way or the other
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I said before, to assume that there is no relationship between Taliban and Iraq is childish
theres no evidence to presume otherwise unles you have some ? why should one asume they have relations ? there might be relations now ..because of what happened in the area and might have forced them togheder but it would have been circumstances that brought them togheder..i would imagine the Taliban and Iraq had nothing to do with eachother and nothing in common..because of differences in ideals and and fundimentals. 2 different types of government....if u wanna get down to it America had more relations with Afganistan then Iraq did....when u trained them and supplied equipment to fight the Soviet Union
My aim wasnt to discuss how justified this war was. Under "normal people" i dont think its neccessary to explain why war is bad. I just wanted to make clear, that the state of war is not produced by "guilty" politicians, and whereas the people were unguilty or something. Of course you have no problem, because you favor the war. But normal people who do have a problem with it actually cant decide. I dont care about discussions who is "aggressor". Its just that the US went into war, the Iraqis didnt kill themselves. So its the US government and people responsible for this. The first ones decided it, the latter ones either agreed with it (like you) or they had to accept it anyway.
Anyways, regarding the "childish"... the first question that rises in me is: how strong is the influence of american media in such a statement? Second is, if there is anything that the Taliban, or the Terrorists, or the arabic-looking-bad-guys, ... are not responsible for? The fincance crisis? The kosovo-war? And the cold war with the russians... wasnt it actually the taliban, america was fighting back then? Maybe they werde just dressed up like russians?
Just in case you dont know: Saddam was no "muslim extremist" (whatever that is), in fact pretty much the opposite of it. So your justification of Iraq war is kind of not 100% correct, to say it softly.
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So you can't reel me in that easy. I thought the vid speaks for me clear enough as it is. 
) everything a interesting discusion should be.. but it is about time to get back to flamenco..
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