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Stu

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Congrats to Obama 

O - ****ing -le!!!!
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ToddK

 

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Stu

Florian, i hope you're happy man, cause if Mcain would have gotten elected,
i was gonna move to Australia.

Thank GOD Obama came through!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TK

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 3:00:18
 
henrym3483

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Stu

thank god democracy prevailed, given the snooky and sneaky stuff that happened in florida those 8 years ago.
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guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to ToddK

I definately agree there was a real need for change in America.... and maybe for a fall guy when the *hit really hits the fan.

I just hope that people don't start contradicting his every effort as soon as he says something that they didn't previously believe themselves. Or pour scorn on noble goals which are not achieved overnight and write them off as foolish.

Maybe the same people who are now so joyous at his victory will be the first to condemn him and blight his efforts when change steps on their toes or he threatens their interests. Lets hope that he gets a fair shot and can ignore those who are uncomnfortable with new ideas and new faces.

But even (and I really hope this isn't true) if he doesn't achieve any of his goals it is good that the previous lot are out because there is nothing like complacancy to gaurantee stagnation intellectual laziness and disrespect for the will of the public..

Mind you............... can Obama make good chips ?


D.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 3:43:59
 
Ron.M

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to ToddK

I think we have all witnessed a defining moment in the history of the USA in what is still the beginnings of the 21st century.
Credit to John McCain too, for his dignified concession speech.
This has been an incredibly long and gruelling campaign for both parties

I ended up lying awake in bed following the live coverage on the BBC all night, so I am absolutely shattered now!

Let's not forget though that the credit crunch has only begun to bite and that there will be a lot of tough times to go through yet, so don't expect miracles from the man.
The tasks and challenges ahead for his Presidency are totally awesome.

cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 3:51:35
 
Florian

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Ron.M

Truly congratulations..i also belive this is a special moment in USA history..it was touching to see Jesie Jackson with tears in his eyes..it was touching to see what it meant to black people in the crowd...everyone but expecially black people ..anyone of them looked like it was them that were elected...its just nice to see people that happy.

I hope the guy does everything he said he would for you but even if he dosent it still is a defining moment in your history..

I am sure it wont be eazy for him and u wont all allways love him but i hope he turns out to be everything he appears to be.


quote:

Florian, i hope you're happy man, cause if Mcain would have gotten elected,
i was gonna move to Australia.


I think i saw Bogdan around the Adelaide airport

oh well, he might turn out to surprise even the guys that didnt vote for him. i hope so, i hope he wins your respect

The fact that is wasent a small margine that he won by, says that it wasent an accident..your people have spoken
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 5:47:56
 
n85ae

 

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Stu

Brides are always beautifull, wives aren't always, and ex-wives are often
downright ugly.

Jeff
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 6:21:55
 
Bogdan1980

 

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Stu

Yep, I'm leaving the country .

I see one good thing in this. This really ought to shut up those who cry "racism". Now if you are black and a nobody, that's not because of an evil white man, it's because you're nobody.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 6:39:28
 
Florian

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Bogdan1980

quote:

I see one good thing in this. This really ought to shut up those who cry "racism". Now if you are black and a nobody, that's not because of an evil white man, it's because you're nobody


that's right... now the white nobodies can cry "racism"


I can see expresions like the ones bellow come into the everyday language..
"Is this because i am white?"
" Is this a white thing ?"
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 7:03:30
 
Bogdan1980

 

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Florian

Yeah won't last long. There is still only 20 percent of them and 70 percent of us.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 8:02:22
 
Estevan

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Ron.M

quote:

(Ron) ...there will be a lot of tough times to go through yet, so don't expect miracles from the man.
The tasks and challenges ahead for his Presidency are totally awesome.

It will be will be extremely difficult for the nation (and some other nations) to recover from the damage done by Cheney/Bush/Rove/Kristol et al in the last eight disastrous years.

David Crosby put it succinctly:

"My worry is that we're handing him a bucket of sh*t and expecting him to make biscuits."

I wish him well.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 8:52:18
 
n85ae

 

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Stu

quote:

It will be will be extremely difficult for the nation (and some other nations) to recover from the damage done by Cheney/Bush/Rove/Kristol et al in the last eight disastrous years.


Oh, and don't forget the damage preceding that from, Clinton, Bush, Reagan,
Carter ....
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 9:37:50
 
Bogdan1980

 

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Estevan

quote:

My worry is that we're handing him a bucket of sh*t and expecting him to make biscuits."


Are we making excuses for him already?

He knew what he was going for. He thinks he's the savior, let him have it!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 10:03:25
 
Ron.M

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Estevan

quote:

David Crosby put it succinctly:

"My worry is that we're handing him a bucket of sh*t and expecting him to make biscuits."



HaHaHaHa!
Great, Estevan!!

I was having a cup of tea when I read that and almost choked!

One thing I love about American English is the succinct and funny way they have with phrases that are right on the button..


cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 11:42:02
 
Ron.M

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Bogdan1980

quote:

He knew what he was going for. He thinks he's the savior, let him have it!


Yeah Bogdan...but being realistic here, it's gonna be hard to give the President of the United States much flakk except criticism....
George W has proved that over 8 years!
So if Barrack is gonna take all your hard earned money off you and redistribute it to the winos and bums and deadbeats, then that will just be a matter of the Law.
I wouldn't worry too much amigo..
I don't think he will.

cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 11:53:40
 
Ron.M

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to henrym3483

Hey Henry...
Are the O'Bamas originally from Co.Limerick or Co.Kerry?

cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 12:04:51
 
Estevan

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Ron.M

quote:

Are the O'Bamas originally from Co.Limerick or Co.Kerry?

This reminds me of a marvellous tri-lingual (Greek-Irish-Spanish) pun that I saw in La Paz, Bolivia. It was the shop sign on a laundry called

O' LIMPIA





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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 12:41:46
 
kovachian

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Stu

Does this mean we can finally stop being the most hated country on the planet? :::fingers crossed:::

Seriously though, I'm ecstatic. Even though I was for Ron Paul in the beginning (before I found out how foolishly naive he was), I don't harbor one iota of resentment for Barry. I'm truly glad he won, even though we had a high turnout of once apathetic first-time voters coming out of the woodwork to cast votes for less-than-ideal reasons, I believe that Americans ultimately made a wise choice. I will do my damnedest to support him, just as long as I can afford the taxes!

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HemeolaMan

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Bogdan1980

Bogdan, in 8 states white people are already the minority. Is America a predominately white country? you tell me. Census data says no.

Racism by the way is no longer just overt racial hatred. Racism is now considered : a system of advantages based on race.

cultural racism. It effects everyone. white privelege. take a look around, tell me if you see what i'm saying.

I'm white, my neighborhood is white, we can do anything go anywhere and say anything and no one questions us or looks twice at us, that is white privelige. that is racism.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 21:20:36
 
Florian

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to kovachian

quote:

Does this mean we can finally stop being the most hated country on the planet?


I dont know if u were...oh who am i kidding i am trying to protect your feelings...maybe a litlle bit...but alot of it had more to do with Bushe's arrogance and ignorance towards the rest of the world then to do with Americans... but i realize Bush didnt exactly have a eazy job either with 9/11 and the need to act...
I am no expert in the matter just saying how it looks to me

but i think that yes Obama will do wonders for america's pr around the world, its already began yesterday....ofcourse also depends on what he does next lol

yesterday majority if not all of the world looked up to you guys ... you are beeing admired....

I also belive he will bring alot more racial harmony in your own country..the bracket between black and white just got smaller....the fact that america is predominantly white and he won by such a large margine it says that the white people wanted this..and belived in this..and that must do so much for a black persons self esteeme, and acceptance and confidence and pride, hopes in your country..

this alone might be worth more any good or bad polocy Obama might have or not have..the symbolic meaning of this is almost bigger and more important and will prove to be more towards the good of your country then any poloticies..

If the guy dosent do another thing u have allready benefited from this..

Also the world will probably learn a lesson or two in racial harmony and equality from this and that is one thing to say "we belive we are equal"...but its another to show it ..

also i havent seen a president this loved since kenedy..poor guy would have to be superman to live up to the expectations lol...and who know he might just be

this is Flo political ANALyst in washington signing off
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 21:30:23
 
andresito

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Bogdan1980

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bogdan1980
This really ought to shut up those who cry "racism". Now if you are black and a nobody, that's not because of an evil white man, it's because you're nobody.

also, if you're a white sh!tkicker who says immigrants stole your job, it's not because of evil immigrants stealing jobs, it's 'cause you're a white sh!tkicker

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2008 22:42:33
 
Bogdan1980

 

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Stu

quote:

also, if you're a white sh!tkicker who says immigrants stole your job, it's not because of evil immigrants stealing jobs, it's 'cause you're a white sh!tkicker


No disagreement there, but irrelevant. Black issue is the issue here.

HemeolaMan,
That's called white guilt, you should get that checked. . Xenophobia is a typical human vice and it exists in all countires not just America. It's just here blacks for years blamed everyone else for their problems. Slavery is gone, their cubicles are next to white people's cubicles and their children are in the same schools. Blaming the evil white man has to stop.

This country is hated not because of Bush but because people here have a good life for the most part. It's pure jealosy. ANd with Obama the pushover this country will be abused like under Carter. Just look, Putin has already moved the rockets closer to Baltic States. All of you in Europe should be getting pretty uncomfortable just about now. And then there is gas supply controled by him. And with Bush the "warmonger" gone there is only Obama the pacifier to bend over. . He will reduce the military and a child knows that you can't stay powerful without military power. Walk softly but carry a big stick, remember?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 6 2008 6:17:02
 
Florian

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Bogdan1980

Jesus crist Bogdan this is geting worst and worst man...
quote:

This country is hated not because of Bush but because people here have a good life for the most part. It's pure jealosy.


that might have been the old USSR but the rest of the world leaves pretty well too mate..theres nothing u can do in america that u cant do in majority of the western world...that plus u can swear on tv or get alchohol in mcdonalds ..and get free healthcare...what do you think that u have that would make the rest of the world just hate you with jelousy ? that is ridiculous

come to think of it thats why the world didnt like Bush because he was thinking like you..to my satisfaction majority of Americans dont share your view obviously hence the vote...thank god.

HemeolaMan u stay just the way u are buddy cause u are perfect..a litlle bit of concience and understanding never hurt anyone..i dont walk around with my head down and i come from Romania ( we never invaded anyone ) but i am white..and now i do live in australia..i dont pretend the past didnt happen..i acknolodge it..
We were terrible to the aboriginies..and whatever problems they have now...even thow at the moment we give them equal rights...we still are responsible for...its history, its there.

Geez why would the white man feel a litlle bit of guilt ? is not like we stuck a flag in indians backyard and called it our hose...its not like we draged and enslaved the world for a few tousand years on every continent, stuck chains around people in africa and forced on to another continent to work our lands while we drank tea....but its ok cause we gave it all back in the last 100 years..

I am not just talking about America i am talking about the whole world..its nothing wrong with aknolodging our past..that's how u fix the future not by shruging your shoulders and say I did do it, it was my great great grandfather..get over it..

u need some compasion ..need to take a chance on people...just like America took one on you when they allowed u to relocate there, they showed a certain amount of faith in you..


just for 5 seconds try and see the world trough someone elses eyes


quote:

ANd with Obama the pushover this country will be abused like under Carter. Just look, Putin has already moved the rockets closer to Baltic States. All of you in Europe should be getting pretty uncomfortable just about now


so what are you saying ? that you know better ? that the American voters got it wrong ? everybody is obviously stupid if they didnt predict the problems that you in your brilliance have ?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 6 2008 8:26:50
 
Bogdan1980

 

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Stu

What rest of the world? Western Europe, Japan and Australia? Maybe Canada also, however people from there come to US to work for higher salaries.

Come on man, there are over 200 countries in the world. What percentage of them have a high standard of living?

Even in Western Europe people pay much higher taxes and gas prices are ridiculous. And then again where most of the hatred is is coming from, Afghanistan, other countries in that region and former/present communist states. Big surprise that is. Or do you think people only started hating US during Bush era. You should read up a bit on foreign relations prior to Bush.

And this nonsense on what whites did, please. From the same point of view we should then condemn all the Arab conquest, Genghis Khan, descendants of Persians and the like. They all conquered and all enslaved. Or perhaps we should put that behind us like Germans did with Fascism and stop blaming others for our shortcomings. History is good to know not to repeat it. But perhaps it is the other side that doesn't know it thinking they are the only victims, the only descendants of slaves. This is the line of thought that breeds racism, instead of eradicating it. It is sad that you don't see that by singling out an ethnic group and making it a "protected class” you are encouraging and perpetuating racism.

I have faith in people, I have faith in personal responsibility also. I didn't get a free ride when I came here. I paid for proper entry, I studied and worked to get a job and prove I'm worth something. Why should others get a free ride?

To the last point. Remember 46% of voters voted against Obama, 52% voted for him. In other words half the population must be on to something. And again if you look into history majority also voted in Hitler.
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Florian

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Bogdan1980

quote:

What rest of the world? Western Europe, Japan and Australia? Maybe Canada also, however people from there come to US to work for higher salaries.


Is that where everyone went ? i thought it was just a slow year.

why dont u make a poll ...conduct a experiment...there are many people from many countyes here..ask why ..u are just one guy speaking for everyone...and so am i

if u really wanna know the true and public opinion...this is a pretty good place to do it...noone really cares that much about polotics and u will probably get a result closer to the truth...

do u just wana talk or do u wana listen too ? or u allready know everything
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 6 2008 9:02:32
 
Bogdan1980

 

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Florian

You are not making any sense. Read your comments then read mine and try to think them through.

Or better yet let's end this and go back to what this forum is for.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 6 2008 9:06:30
 
Florian

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Bogdan1980

quote:

You are not making any sense. Read your comments then read mine and try to think them through


which part arent u understanding ? i tought i was pretty clear..

u said how everyone comes there from even the richer countires insinuatting that everyone just wants to be there..like there arent americans in other countries..dont get me wrong america is a great country but not everyone wants to live there...some people love the land where they were born..some are sentimental about stuff like that..not me but i know some are


so...I made a joke

Then i made a suggestion to you that if u really wanna know the truth of why there was a strogher then ever Antiamerican sentiment ( u dismissed my suggestion that its more AntiBush then Antiamerican)...this is the place to conduct such an experiment..

there are people here from allover the world...they all have an opinion...counting theyr votes about why the Antiamerican sentiment..is closer to the actual truth then what one guy thinks he knows..unless u know what goes on in the head of everyone around the world..

SO then i said...do you really wana know the truth ? do you wanna listen or do you just wanna continue to speak for everyone ?


Its all prety straight foward mate

quote:

Or better yet let's end this and go back to what this forum is for.



fine with me


sorry mate, i wanted to support yor right to voice your opinion...and i still do ..but the more the discusion progresed the more dismisive and insulting your opinion got towards the rest of the world...i unfortunateley live in ...the rest of the world...so i hope u can see where i am coming from..

nothing personal
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 6 2008 9:17:55
 
Bogdan1980

 

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Florian

quote:

u said how everyone comes there from even the richer countires insinuatting that everyone just wants to be there..like there arent americans in other countries..dont get me wrong america is a great country but not everyone wants to live there...some people love the land where they were born..love the place where they live atm


Well you did misunderstand. What I said was that those were the countries with high standard of living. That leaves about 200 other countries that are developing or undeveloped, with much lower standard of living. I also said that those other ones are where hatred is coming from. You have to remember that on a global scale very few countries can boast a normal life. Very few countries are afluent like US or UK. So when you say that everyone's lives are fine that sounds pretty inaccurate.

My opinion is not dismissive at all. It is when you get comments that suggest that Bush is guilty of everything that the narrowness of perspective of some is revealed.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 6 2008 9:44:11
 
Florian

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Bogdan1980

quote:

Well you did misunderstand


did I ? lets review

quote:

What rest of the world? Western Europe, Japan and Australia? Maybe Canada also, however people from there come to US to work for higher salaries.


from that i got:

" - Theres is only a few countries where people have good standard of life but even they come here so.."

did i misunderstand that ? i mean thats what i get from that sentence, i know u didnt say it but u insinuated it..same thing


quote:

My opinion is not dismissive at all. It is when you get comments that suggest that Bush is guilty of everything that the narrowness of perspective of some is revealed.


Somewhere up the page i made the comment...that Bush didnt have it eazy..i also made the comment that this is just how it apprears to me...

we are talking about Public Opinion overseas...u are right the majority of the world probably isnt up to speed with everything that goes on..they judge him on the bits of information they get from here and there...but unfortunateley thats how public opinion around the world is formed..just as the name suggests

we were talking about how he was precived...fair or unfair its irrelvant in this discusion public opinion is public opinion...the point is that there was an Antibush sentiment around the world..more so then Antiamerican...

I am a guy in another country and u are a guy living in America atm...if it was just u and I voting on how Bush is precived in other countries ...who do you think that would win the arggument by 1-0 ? given where u are atm and given where i am

its like arguing over the phone to a japanese about what the weather in Japan is like atm
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 6 2008 9:57:50
 
Bogdan1980

 

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RE: Congrats to Obama (in reply to Stu

quote:

Theres is only a few countries where people have good standard of life but even they wanna come here..

did i misunderstand that ? i mean thats what i get from that sentence


Yes. People who come to US to work come from Canada, not all countries I named, hence the separate sentence "Maybe Canada....".

Didn't you also say in one of your posts that Australia follows America mostly? And aren't you living there? Well then what makes you think that you have a valid judgment on the world's perception of America?

But that's not the point. The point is that global view has shifted strangely from Anti-America to Anti-Bush. Reason being, people have to find themselves a face to hate. If they say we hate America, that sounds a lot like simple ungrounded jealousy. But if they say we hate Bush, that sounds so much more validated and relevant, doesn't it? The problem is judgments are not based on facts but on what is being driven to you day in day out in media coverage.

People have forgotten that prior to Bush there was just as many hating, effigy-burning, suicide-bombing loonies in the world. And no surprise since America up to this day went against everything that your typical freedom-suppressing, authoritarian government stood for. Be that Iran, Iraq, Venezuela, USSR, N. Korea, China, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and the list goes on.
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