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Javier Conde (the bullfighter) and flamenco
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Matic
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From: Slovenija
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RE: Javier Conde (the bullfighter) a... (in reply to AntonioM)
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Javier Conde loves live music playing when he fights the bulls. Oh, you seem to be quite an expert. That's good. Tell us more about this beautiful art, I'd really be interested. Yeah, I do like his style very much. The bull seems so small beside him, he must be so brave! Oh, and what a tiring job this must be, oh my! And dirty! Look, he's bloody at the end, yuck! He really is a hero! And he's totally in compas, dude! You have to admit, the point of all this isn't in that last hit but all the calvary he makes the bull go through. And the crowds are just loving it! I'd give everything to be there and cut everyone's throats. [edit: emotionally altered end of this post, not meant literally i guess... though i'll never approve this stuff]
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Date Apr. 19 2008 21:12:06
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RE: Javier Conde (the bullfighter) a... (in reply to AntonioM)
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At the risk of losing all my points on this emotive subject...I would comment as a foreigner living in Spain that to ignore or negate bullfighting is maybe to ignore or negate part of the culture of Flamenco. I am not saying you have to like or approve of Bullfighting. What I am saying that music such as the paso-doble, aficionados such as Manolo Sanlucar (and the album Tauromagia), many songs and much of the male baile is majorly influenced by bullfighting. At least understanding a bit about the moves, music and form can help to understand some of the origins (and influences) of the baile and why flamenco has elements of such passion and brutality. If bullfighting really angers you and outrages you to the point that you want to kill (or suggest killing people) when the subject is brought up....you may find some aspects of Spanish culture and learning flamenco deeply unsatisfying. Although I personally do not enjoy bull fighting, my opinion on this subject has certainly change a lot over my time here. I choose to live in Andalucia and because of that there are things I have to either put up with or leave. Antonio (who made this post) comes from Linares so for him watching a bullfight is no more barbaric than say a non Spaniard watching a heavyweight boxing match (which is equally violent, bloody and dangerous) The second video has a short segment at 1.00 where the bullfighter is dancing with the bull. I see why he posted it....es muy flamenco. (note how the crowd shouts olé at every move, just as if he were a great dancer) Bull fighting is still more popular here than football (soccer) and the size of the crowds in the videos reflect that fact. Its a part of Andaluz culture and (love it or hate it ) is not going to go away for a while. Flamenco is more than a music, it is a reflection of a people, culture and a lifestyle with both good and bad elements. This forum invites people to from all over the world to discuss and debate flamenco culture, yet strangely when a local Andalucian makes a post demonstrating the artistic moves of a great toreador, he is he is judged very harshly and unkindly for sharing part of the very culture that influences flamenco art. Lo siento Antonio. Its just my viewpoint- please dont kill me for it!!
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Date Apr. 20 2008 13:20:29
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RE: Javier Conde (the bullfighter) a... (in reply to prd1)
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I don't eat meat...your personality profile software needs a tweak!!!!!! ok so your a vegetarian.grand re my personality profile, thats grand as it is. quote:
My point has been misunderstood - if you want to prove your "metal" - shooting an animal is not a very good metric? "metal" as in guts, cajones,courage-whatever. im telling you, you'd wanna have cajones the size of mellons to hunt any of the animals in africa. if you dont have a gun they will trample, gore, crush or tear you limb from limb. im read a book by a scottish hunter called walter bell (1890), and he discribed and elephant pinning a native hunter down, and pulling each of his limbs off like a human would do to a fly.the elephant then realising what it did, covered the body over with branches and trees to hide the evidence.they are smart animals and i have a healthy respect for them. some people prove their metal in the boxing ring, others on the field of battle. some do it hunting lions or buffalo. many an african hunter has been killed by animals they have put over 5 bullets or more into. a gun does not gaurantee you safety against these animals. re hunting dear etc, i do that just for the meat.i dont trophy hunt neither do i agree in trophy hunting, ive even used the antlers to make replacment knife and tool handles.
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Date Apr. 20 2008 18:33:51
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