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pjl
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A good question Ron , and I must say that I have not really found any animosity or any prejudice against non Spaniards in Flamenco , I think that as long as one has good compas , the minute that one starts to play , people tend to forget where you come from and just accept the music for what it is . When I first went to Seville in the 1960s as much as being English it was considered strange that I , as a young man was playing in a very old style , this was because I had been learning from very old recordings . I do remember from that time a bit of rivalry between gypsies and non gypsies , I had met up with Antonio Sanlucar , the brother of the legendary Esteban and spent the night playing the guitar with him and accompanying the local singers and it was the next day when I took the bus up to San Juan de la Aznalfarache to hang out with the gypsies , my friend Juan said " I hear that you have been playing the guitar in Triana with Antonio Sanlucar , what do you think of his playing ? " when I replied that I thought he was really good , Juan then said " yes he plays well , but not like us , he is not a gypsy " . Juan also found it odd that we had gypsies in England but they did not have Flamenco . I am talking now about the sixties and the gypsies were much more isolated then . Outside of Spain I don't really think that anyone really cares where one comes from and I think that if one understands the genre and has the intrinsic elements that go to make up the music instinctively people will pick up on the fact that you have got it right .
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pjl
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Thanks Sam , I like what you say about the old school feeling and you are right , I suppose you had to be around at the time , it was a different world then and when I started out there was no Paco de Lucia on the scene the idea of flamenco with a frettless electric bass and Cajon and a flute would have been unimaginable . Occasionally one might hear flamenco with an orchestra as with some of the early Pepe Marchena with Ramon Montoya , then , the orchestra was mostly used to just link up verses of straight Flamenco . The first record that I had was a really good Sabicas LP , I would have bought that in 1960 and that was how the guitar to me should sound and it also set the standard that one should aim for . then I discovered the very eccentric playing of Jose Motos from an album I guess from the late fifties , I could hear that he was good and I would try and get the falsettas from both records and mix and match , the next record I managed to find was of the Jose Greco company and I could see then how this solo guitar thing related to the dance and song and there was a bunch of other falesttas to learn and if not actually learn just take the idea and make it your own , and this is how it was then , as I got more into the old singers there was a whole world of guitarists all with there propio sello or personal stamp , people like Antonio Moreno , Monolo de Huelva , and of course Ramon Montoya and Nino Ricardo who were not only great accompanists but also wonderful soloists and creators of falsettas and other guitarists who may not be big on falsettas but could accompany the cante like the guitar and the singers voice were one entity I am thinking here of the likes of Melchor de Marchena . Another great thing about these days , a lot of these people were still around , it was when I went to the theatre in Seville in the early sixties that I saw Angelillo and Juanito Valderrama being accompanied by Nino Ricardo , I still have the signed programs from that evening . It was easy to learn Flamenco then , It was a real tradition that once one understood the elements that go to make it up , was there to be dived into , assimilated and played around with . Coming to Flamenco guitar now must be very confusing as there is so much stuff out there in the way of transcriptions and DVDs etc.
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Date Apr. 22 2008 13:25:00
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Ron.M
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quote:
It was easy to learn Flamenco then
Hi Philip,
LOL!
Yeah, if you were prepared to save up, give up your job, learn Spanish and get on a train and car ferry to Spain and then live as cheaply as possible! 
For there was nothing available in the UK except for your ear and a few notes on LP cover sleeves!
Oh yes...and "Flamenco en la Madrugada" from Sevilla, which you could sometimes (just) hear on Medium waves after midnight on the radio if conditions were right (like Radio Luxembourg).
These days there are on-line lessons, books, instructional DVD's, Tab Books, etc etc.
A whole different world IMO. 
cheers,
Ron
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