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ToddK

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train your ears!

Great site.

http://www.teoria.com/index.html

spend a few minutes a day on interval drills.

Little things can mean alot.

TK

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 20 2008 20:53:53

XXX

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to ToddK)

Nice website, but on guitar things are more complicated than piano, because there are several positions to play the same chord, including open strings. So this intervall ear training and learning chords on the guitar (not on music sheet) is the best way imo.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 7:21:21

ToddK

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to XXX)

No No No!!!

The point is to know scales/chords/intervals by "EAR".

Not to be dependant on a keyboard or fretboard shape!!

Music is in the mind. Not on a guitar, or a keyboard.

Dont limit music to an instrument!! An instrument is only an instrument.
YOU make the music. The guitar just lays there.

TK

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 16:18:34

Mark2

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to ToddK)

Great site, and great advice Todd.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 16:30:34

XXX

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to ToddK)

yea todd, i only mentioned because some exersizes only concentrate on notating without ear training.
but i have to admit its very cool and a lazy method to learn fretboard shapes

learn faster than light

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 16:35:03

ToddK

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to ToddK)

Fretboard shapes are a tool, and of course, are useful.

Im not saying dont utilize all that stuff.

I guess i should have been more specific about which part of the site
i meant for people to see.

I called this thread "Train your EARS" so, i assumed you would checkout
the Ear Training, intervals section.
You can ignore the notational sections.

Find the ear training interval section. It will play you 2 reference notes.

You have to determine what interval you're hearing, just by hearing it.
I think at bare minimum, everybody should be able to identify all 12
intervals by ear.

The next thing to tackle would be building chords.
You can take out your guitar for this one.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 16:45:52

XXX

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to ToddK)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ToddK

You can ignore the notational sections.

hehe thats all i wanted to hear LOL (jk)
i actually already had a program on the PC, "Ear Pro" or something... i had planned to do intervall recognition everyday. I only had the patience to do it the first two days. The third day i forgot it

But its great, and REALLY helps.

i can identify all major and minor triads (3,5,7) and the 2s of course. But the 4s and 6s are sounds im not used to, i guess.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 16:53:45

guitarbuddha

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to ToddK)

All good stuff Todd. I went through a phase of doing a load of this stuff. The band in a box program has a load of ear training software built in and I go through brief phases of using it.

I think that the most instrument friendly way of working on ear training is simply playing through tunes by ear in all twelve keys in open position. It forces you to feel for the note and applies the interval training in real time on your instrument.

I use band in a box for this too, since I can get it to play any tune through in all twelve keys.

Since you have to play along and get the tune in real time it is fantastic ear training and twelve key work. Things tend to 'stick' more this way because it is a more emotional and musical experience.

If only somebody 'cool' would suggest this then people here might try it.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 16:58:32

ToddK

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to ToddK)

Yeah, tritones (#4/b5's) and 6ths are the tricky ones at first.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 16:59:10

ToddK

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to guitarbuddha)

quote:

If only somebody 'cool' would suggest this then people here might try it.

so you're saying im not cool??

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 17:01:27

guitarbuddha

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to ToddK)

No Todd, you'r way cool. You repeatedly snub me by ignoring me when I address you directly. I went to to school, I know what cool is, thats cool.

Since I am not cool I feel free to agree with you when you make a perfectly sensible suggestion. I can even add another idea without seeming to contradict you.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 17:14:09

Mark2

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to ToddK)

It can help to identify intervals with well known songs - a perfect fourth is the first two notes of "here comes the bride" an octave-first two notes of "somewhere over the rainbow". Major 6th "My Bonnie lies over the ocean" A tri tone is a police siren in some places. Anybody got more? How about for chords?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 17:29:02

ToddK

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to guitarbuddha)

quote:

You repeatedly snub me by ignoring me when I address you directly.

Really?? Can you remind my of a specific occasion?

Never meant to do that. I hold you in very high regard in
this forum. You contribute alot here.
If i snubbed you, i certainly didnt mean to. I apologize.
T

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 17:46:34

ToddK

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to Mark2)

quote:

It can help to identify intervals with well known songs - a perfect fourth is the first two notes of "here comes the bride" an octave-first two notes of "somewhere over the rainbow". Major 6th "My Bonnie lies over the ocean" A tri tone is a police siren in some places. Anybody got more? How about for chords?

That's a good strategy for notes played in sequence.

Notes played simultaneously, (chords) are a little different.

Cant think of any strategies for chords. Just repetition, and focus.
T

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 17:49:21

guitarbuddha

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to ToddK)

I'm grumpy.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 19:03:34

Mark2

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to guitarbuddha)

quote:

ORIGINAL: guitarbuddha

I'm grumpy.

D.

Is that a minor 2nd?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 20:19:05

ToddK

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to ToddK)

If you're swimming in the ocean, and you start hearing low octave
minor seconds, that usually means there's a great white shark
in the area. Swim faster.

T

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 20:27:55

Georg

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to Mark2)

quote:

A tri tone is a police siren in some places. Anybody got more?

Tri tone: I think when they sing "The Simpsons", the first to notes build a tri tone.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 21:15:33

ToddK

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to Georg)

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Tri tone: I think when they sing "The Simpsons", the first to notes build a tri tone.

what a great, memorable melody.

And the guy who wrote that (Danny Elfman) doesnt read music.
Interesting side note.

T

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 21:26:57

HemeolaMan

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to ToddK)

thank you todd, i'm glad you posted that. i don't want to shell out the dough for auralia lol.

I forwarded the link to my theory prof, he thanks you too!

What todd is saying is that ideally you will be able to hear all of the intervals and/or be able to generate all the intervals you hear in your head (voice usually the best way) as if it were second nature.

The way this is achieved in university is to scare students to death by making them sight sing music. which is important in developing musicianship.

after all, reading a score and knowing what it will sound like befor eyou play it is a very very very useful skill.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 22:14:32

greeny

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to Mark2)

First two notes of Manha de Carnaval (black orpheus) = flat sixth

Jimi Hendrix's Purple Haze = #4

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 22:16:09

HemeolaMan

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to ToddK)

oh yeah, major sixth, Sol up to Mi think the NBC theme, Sol Mi Do

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 21 2008 22:20:28

michall

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to ToddK)

Good site, but.. Ear master is better

Ehm

http://rapidshare.com/files/54187277/EarMaster.Pro.v5.608S.rar

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 26 2008 14:17:02

bahen

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RE: train your ears! (in reply to ToddK)

quote:

If you're swimming in the ocean, and you start hearing low octave
minor seconds, that usually means there's a great white shark
in the area. Swim faster.

I knew there was some practical application to ear training. Just couldn't put my finger on it till now.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 26 2008 18:51:14