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Mark2
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RE: Tonality vs. Modality Attn: Ricardo (in reply to Guest)
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First, thanks for the vid-I really enjoyed it. As to your question, I think the answer is if you can get the gig, you aren't going to lose it for missing a chord change. As to outsiders getting the gig in the first place, that's another story. There are politics in every human endeavor, including getting any kind of gig. I think guys who are serious about playing flamenco have to make a decision at some point about how far to take it, and how to do it. Several guitarists such as David Serva, Gary Hayes, Ian Davies, and others have shown how far it's possible to go, but for most, that price is too high.
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Date Feb. 20 2008 8:28:42
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Ricardo
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RE: Tonality vs. Modality Attn: Ricardo (in reply to Guest)
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The tonal shifts are clear and most people accompany C, Bb, A but the guitarist here plays A. This is the modality that you were talking about. Hmmm. It looked like all was normal to me, I mean he changed all the chords like normal, you typical tonal stuff mixed with phrygian. Ok he was in por Arriba so I am thinking G, F, E. In the middle he does the jerez bulerias and it goes to E major, and he plays G# like minera I thought that was different. At the very very end estribillo he does G-F-E, then a llamada, but the "singer" who jumped in cause the main singer was dancing, REPEATED it and since the guitar was allready ending, he just rolled that puppy on out. I think since it was the very ending, it is not a big deal, a rhtyhmic thing not a specific harmonic treatment, and personally I dont' think of that as the choice example of modaliy, ie use of drone. Technically yeah, he is not giving harmonies, he is just on the tonic chord, but we already hear it a moment before with the harmony so it is in our heads. For modality a clear example like I said Pele with v. amigo, the siguiriyas, or lately I heard Jose Merce do Martinete with a lovely synth drone. That is what I mean by purely modal. About "outsider". You really need to define specifically "outsider", and who are the so called "insiders" he is playing with. OK for clearity and time, lets say YOU Romerito are the outsider, and this group in the vid are the "insiders". If YOU played like that guy, meaning, with Soniquete, good compas I mean, you could get away with MUCH more than that one chord ending, in terms of what some may think of as "wrong" tonos. But if you get all the right chords, but don't have a good rhythm, then no you wont "get away" with anything. But if you not only keep good compas, but also get all the "right" tonos, then, you may get questioned 'where are you from in jerez" or if they know already you are not spanish "where did you learn in Spain? Who is your maestro?" etc etc, and then you can be all proud of yourself for having fooled the "insiders". Ok, my opinion is all conjecture of course without specifics, but hopefully you get me. Ricardo
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Date Feb. 20 2008 9:30:35
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