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mark indigo
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Juan Martin?
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Hi, I'm relatively new here, and don't want to bore old-timers, and I have read all the old posts I can find relating to this already, which only serve to deepen the mystery for me.... they also refer back to even older posts (apparently) called "Juan Martin wars" which I couldn't find, unless that's what I was already reading...? The question I have really is not whether JM is a good guitarist or not, or whether he's better or worse than PDL (I have ears of my own...) but whether the persistent rumours about JM are true or false, and if true, is there some kind of conspiracy of silence about outing him? And if false, well then they are pretty nasty and ought to be scotched with some hard factual evidence! I am, of course, talking about "rumours" that he is not Spanish, that his accent is not genuine, and that he grew up in Brighton, UK, where he was known as "Johnny Martin" and spoke with a South-Eastern English accent. The point is, I don't begrudge anyone success based on talent and/or hard work (and I don't think anyone would deny that JM puts the work in producing teaching materials, albums and tours), but if someone promoting "traditional pure" flamenco is deliberately misleading the public or wilfully allowing untruths to be broadcast about themselves then I think there is a Trading Standards issue here and that it is totally outrageous! I have looked at a number of JM's books and video's, none of which say where he was born, where he grew up, or what nationality his parents are/were (and I'm sure if he was Spanish and born and brought up in Spain it would be trumpeted very loudly), yet the Wikipedia on him says he was born in Malaga (repeated in at least one newspaper article/interview).... Can anyone verify if this is true or false? Sorry to go on about this if you're bored of this already, but I have heard so many things about this over the years, and have had so many discussions with people about it that I really feel like I need to know the truth! Also, if (and it's a big "if" 'cos I don't know) these rumours are true, and if JM were open and honest about it, it might open the door for other non-Spanish guitarists to be accepted by the public in the UK and USA, and if they are false, then a hell of a lot of people need to stop bitching about this guy! mark
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Date Dec. 12 2007 21:31:56
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Stu
Posts: 2529
Joined: Jan. 30 2007
From: London (the South of it), England
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RE: Juan Martin? (in reply to mark indigo)
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Have you ever seen Paco in Iran? No. No you are right. However, at the recent paco gig I worked on we were in pacos dressing room after the show and various people were coming in to congratulate him on the concert, get autographs etc. There was one Iranian guy who came in and he bought paco some gifts and was heaping praise on him. He asked Paco if he would consider coming to play in Iran and paco said he would! The guy from Iran said chonchi and montse would have to be covered up and paco candidly replied ... "Well...We cover them up then!" So perhaps we will see paco playing in Iran, or maybe he was just humouring the guy. He also made a joke about the bomb which the Iranian guy didnt think was very funny. Anyways, I can't quash those rumours or confirm them and I dont care if JM is English, Iranian, Romanian, Spanish, Martian, etc He is just JM. He likes Flamenco, he's better than me, but not best in world or whatever it is. If he is pretending to be Spanish then thats lame. If you want to listen to good flamenco, you know yourself, listen to paco. If you want to learn flamenco juans books are a good starting point. The end
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Date Dec. 13 2007 3:09:19
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