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RE: Is this a bad time to tell you all we playing with Juan Martin ?
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cathulu
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 RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to Florian)
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Hey this is my first post - since it's about Juan maybe it is not apropos? 
I saw Juan Martin locally in Vancouver BC just recently. He was with a female singer (who also danced a bit) and a male dancer called "El Tigre".
I would say Juan was OK and entertaining, the best parts I can recall were his Solea, Alegrias, Taranta and a Sevillanas with the dancers. His Rumbas were OK also, especially given he does not have a full accompaniment a la Gypsy Kings. To my slowly improving ear he played well with the dancers and had a strong thumb.
He played this arabic / flamenco piece that started interestingly but ended up just noodling along and was a pastiche of ideas and styles. His Bulerias was not harmonically very interesting - I guess a bit old school, but OK also.
After the concert we snuck in backstage after asking someone to get him to autograph my copy of El Arte Flamenco. Juan signed my copy and my guitar teacher got his picture with Juan. Afterwards Juan actually invited us to come into this room where all the invited guests were drinking wine and waiting for Juan. He chatted for about 10 minutes or so answering questions. El Tigre was wandering around and he was really quite a funny chap - very nice also. He was surprised we had red faces in Canada and attributed it to the wine!
Juan appeared very generous and did not put on any aires so to speak. He admitted the star of the show was El Tigre, who received the most response from the audience. He said there wasn't a lot of money in Flamenco - so I'll keep my day job assuming I ever get good enough...
His handler was leading him around and he was following along without protestation. Believe it or not he was going-up to Yellowknife as part of his tour of Western Canada - smaller venues. Really not that glamorous, what it takes to get by I guess.
My take on Juan is that he is an accessible guitarist, kind of like Ace Frehley of KISS. It is conceivable that a beginner might sound like Juan one day,,, I'm still trying!
Anyways, I am interested to follow this thread to see what happens!
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Date Nov. 12 2007 4:45:03
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RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to HemeolaMan)
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its this weekend isnt it? say hello to the 3rd best guitarist in the world for me would you. (are you doing his workshop?)
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Date Nov. 20 2007 15:02:40
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Florian
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From: Adelaide/Australia
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RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to paco picado)
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He does have a unique style that one recognises immediatley,
does one ? Vicente , Canizares etc have a unique style that one recognises straight away, to me J.M. sounds like any other guy from the 50's or 60's...with all the respect.
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compared to virtually everyone else, who all sound the the same, in the PDL mould
so i gues according to you he's the most original guitarist out there alongside Paco is that what you are saying ? yes Paco was the father of modern flamenco guitar, but i still hear a world of difference in the modern guitarists, own personalities etc. some more then others, and the only reason J.M. dosent sound like a mould of him is because frankly its over his head and beyond his technical capabilities, the complex compas, syncopation that Paco does (expecially in the more recent years) , is way past and more sophisticated than anything i have ever heard JM do. SO i gues its not really a question of different style is more of a question of different level and understanding in every aspect of flamenco guitar.
JM sounds now like what Paco would have sounded like when he was 9 or 10.
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and he is still managing to get attention and concerts
that has nothing to do with the guitarist, talent or music its a different department all togheder, Promotions, advertising, management etc.
Btw. what do you say to the fact that almost noone in Spain knows who JM is ? Most of his performances are outside Spain...perhaps they are missing the magic.
anyway i do respect Juan but not because of his playing , not really my cup of tea, i respect him because of his books, and because of his age and because of the level of fame he has achived....considering..is that ok ?  He might be a lovley guy and i might just fall inlove with his personality, but I have been around long enough to have my own taste and opinions.
Look at Koella... he loves me  ... dosent like my music...i accept that, hes still one of my best amigos.
Just as i am sure everyone else here has, so this type of discussion is pointless really, you will never turn me and i will never turn you.
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Date Nov. 20 2007 19:03:52
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RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to Florian)
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but who knows come sunday he might change my opinion and sweep me off my feet.
yeah, and pigs might fly too...
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Date Nov. 21 2007 1:05:09
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Mark2
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RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to Florian)
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Flo,
Maybe it's not so much "beyond him" as just not a part of him. He's been doing his thing for probably 40 years, why would he feel the need to learn stuff that is new now? I'm sure he could play Bbmaj7 instead of Bb, but maybe he likes Bb more? I'm not talking about his technical skill, but the choices all of us make when we play. He may very well like modern playing, but know it doesn't suit his audience. And while the difference between Canizares and Juan Carlos Romero is clear to you, I'm not sure it is to Juan's audience. I think most of them would rather hear a zambra than a buleria in C# with a bunch of major 7th chords.
If he were to learn of bunch of Tomatito style stuff, will players who are into it run out and buy tickets to his gig? No, they will wait for Tomatito to show up.
Imagine yourself at 60 years old. Do you think you will be running out buying every new CD to learn the latest falsetas? Or perhaps, you will be happy to tweak the concepts you have spent a lifetime fiddling with? Or maybe, you will have a career playing, with an audience who likes whatever it is you are doing. And you just might be more worried about catching the plane to your gig than learning the latest falseta. I don't like his playing either, but I've read more crap about him than any five guitarists deserve.
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Date Nov. 21 2007 2:07:22
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Florian
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From: Adelaide/Australia
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RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to Mark2)
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From here on, on this thread i am gonna use bodylanguage to express my emotions because i dont wanna say anything wrong .
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Flo,
Maybe it's not so much "beyond him" as just not a part of him. He's been doing his thing for probably 40 years, why would he feel the need to learn stuff that is new now? I'm sure he could play Bbmaj7 instead of Bb, but maybe he likes Bb more? I'm not talking about his technical skill, but the choices all of us make when we play. He may very well like modern playing, but know it doesn't suit his audience. And while the difference between Canizares and Juan Carlos Romero is clear to you, I'm not sure it is to Juan's audience. I think most of them would rather hear a zambra than a buleria in C# with a bunch of major 7th chords.
Imagine yourself at 60 years old. Do you think you will be running out buying every new CD to learn the latest falsetas? Or perhaps, you will be happy to tweak the concepts you have spent a lifetime fiddling with? Or maybe, you will have a career playing, with an audience who likes whatever it is you are doing. And you just might be more worried about catching the plane to your gig than learning the latest falseta. I don't like his playing either, but I've read more crap about him than any five guitarists deserve.
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If he were to learn of bunch of Tomatito style stuff, will players who are into it run out and buy tickets to his gig? No, they will wait for Tomatito to show up
- people who go to see 
- dont ussualy go to 
but whatever, i respect him as much as you do and dont peticulary enjoy his music same as you, but i wasent gonna say it for no reason PACO provoked me !!  I aint donne nothing man  he started it.
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