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RE: Tauromagia vid?
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BarkellWH
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RE: Tauromagia vid? (in reply to Guest)
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So without the influence of the corrida, there wouldn't be any themes of life, death, tragedy or courage in flamenco? Come on, are you serious? The relation is one of correlation not causation. Perhaps a primer on reading comprehension is in order. I state clearly in my post, "While I don't think there is a "causal" relationship between the corrida and flamenco...." Nevertheless, within the context of Andalusia, the themes I mentioned in the corrida have clearly influenced them in flamenco. I suggest you talk to Spaniards who have lived in Andalusia. You might widen your horizons a bit. That those themes may be present in the art and music of other cultures does not mean that they were developed independently in flamenco without the influence of the corrida. You are creating a red herring when you state, "So without the influence of the corrida, there wouldn't be any themes of life, death, tragedy, or courage in flamenco?" I never said that, and you know it. I stated flamenco has been influenced by the corrida, and it is those themes that provide the connection between the two. You simply don't want to acknowledge opinions and explanations with which you disagree. Bill
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Date Feb. 17 2021 18:47:08
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kitarist
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RE: Tauromagia vid? (in reply to Guest)
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Also Mark introduced a whole book, written by an academic/professor, on the subject of the close links between flamenco dancing and the kinetic spectacle of bullfighting: From its intro: "I think of flamenco and bullfighting as twins, developing together embryonically, and continuing to develop naturally side by side in their home culture over a period of centuries, first in informal and later in more formal, formulated, and even formulaic ways. Whatever the exact history of their emergence may be, most certainly over many centuries of development, it was in human flesh, action, and feeling that they maintained their twinship before finally emerging around the eighteenth century as public ritual and performance. And one result of their shared developmental history is that any pedagogical or aesthetic discourse focused on either flamenco or bullfighting is likely to express awareness of the significant links between the two cultural practices." There are 300+ pages examining this in detail, with references. Maybe go read it instead of ignoring what is presented to you that you don't like, open-minded fella; or is flamenco dance not sufficiently flamenco to register as evidence, in your generous open-minded view? It is OK to dismiss this or anything else, of course - as is ok to simply have a (wrong) opinion about anything; just don't pretend your position is somehow objective and based on the available evidence.
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Date Feb. 17 2021 20:39:37
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