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 RE: black people (in reply to Fitna A.)
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Celia Morales is a professional player, not a foreign aficionado. This week is the National Congress of Flamenco, held in Cádiz. On Tuesday she accompanied Mariana Cornejo and Carmen de la Jara.
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Date Sep. 7 2007 18:05:19
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: black people (in reply to koella)
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I'm not generalizing. I don't know any African or Afro-american playin g flamenco.
I don't see them on youtube, I don't see them on the foro. I don't know of anyone who made a cd.
I'm just noticing that, and it made me wonder.
Sure there will be some excentrics who do but in general I think I'm right.
Sorry that some one dug up your dead horse. But it was a good question anyway, or at least it points to an important point. I think you ARE generalizing because it is rare to find NON SPANISH PEOPLE playing flamenco. Non gypsy, non andaluz, non spanish, non european etc etc, further away from Jerez, the less you find. Of course Japanese people are big aficionados of EVERYTHING. So you find japanese metal guitarists, flamenco dancers and singers, andes style charango MASTERS, etc. in japan. So count them OUT. Why is it that HOLLAND there are lots of flamenco guitarists? My theory is because of Rotterdam and Paco Pena's school. There is a reason for it. In USA you have some people in certain areas into flamenco, and LOTS of the guitar enthusiasts worship Diego del Gastor thanks to Don Pohren. There is always a reason for some weird phenomenon like a certain group or local area of people are into flamenco in unusually high numbers.
OK, so since you are in Holland, and you ASKED, I ask again, how many black or african or "afro-american" people are your FRIENDS and collegues? Would you say 50% of the people you work with or live in your neighbor hood ARE black? If so, I would understand why you are wondering why not a lot of black folks are into flamenco, considering it is strange how MANY dutch are into flamenco relative to other non spaniards.
I live in DC. MOST of the people living near me are afro american. At least 50 percent. And many in or around places I work. I have some black friends. I personally know or have met about 4 black women who dance flamenco, one black male plays flamenco guitar, and I mean in compas some of Nunez falsetas and others of encuentro, and even one black male Flamenco singer who also dances very well bulerias and sevillanas. And I have met many other enthusiasts or students of flamenco guitar and dance that are black.
I also know many white eruopeans doing flamenco, latino or latin American, a few spanish, Asian, filipino, Persian, turkish, greek, two from Trinidad (who might be considered black or jamaican though more blood from INDIA), even native american. In fact, my best friend is a great Rumbero and flamenco singer and is Bolivian Indian. There are more of non spanish than spanish doing flamenco in my area. The percentages actually work out based on how many different groups of people there are.
Based on my sampling of different ethnic groups involved in flamenco, I could waste everyones time and give my generalzations on how each group is doing compas wise, but I dont' really think it is fair. Understand, that it is a very small sampling of people that are into flamenco. So why not MORE PEOPLE into flamenco is the real question I think?
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Date Sep. 14 2007 5:37:00
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koella
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Joined: Sep. 10 2005
From: holland
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RE: black people (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
I think you ARE generalizing because it is rare to find NON SPANISH PEOPLE playing flamenco. Non gypsy, non andaluz, non spanish, non european etc etc, further away from Jerez, the less you find.
Here in Holland there are many people who play/dance flamenco. No black people. And I know few black people. Some bass players and percussion players. All from Suriname, which is a former Dutch colony ( english ? ). They are not interested in flamenco however they find the rhythm of it interesting.
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Why is it that HOLLAND there are lots of flamenco guitarists? My theory is because of Rotterdam and Paco Pena's school. There is a reason for it.
I think the reason Paco Pena came to the Rotterdam conservatory is because flamenco was already very vivid in Holland then. Due to many spanish guestworkers here. And vice versa Spain has always been the favourite holiday destination for most Dutch people.
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OK, so since you are in Holland, and you ASKED, I ask again, how many black or african or "afro-american" people are your FRIENDS and collegues? Would you say 50% of the people you work with or live in your neighbor hood ARE black? If so, I would understand why you are wondering why not a lot of black folks are into flamenco, considering it is strange how MANY dutch are into flamenco relative to other non spaniards.
No I guess 15 percent of the people I know is afro/indonesian/surinam.
But I still haven't seen/met/heard of an afro who plays flamenco.
I know a very fine Afro percussion player here. He teaches at Amsterdam conservatory ( Kenrick Gunther, look him up ). When I talk with him about flamenco, he's interested, but always starts to talk me in, you know...latin stuff, traditional south-american string instruments.
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So why not MORE PEOPLE into flamenco is the real question I think?
Nono, it's just a prejudice from my side. I think, hey, rhythm...africa....flamenco's messing around with afican music and vice versa....the step for an African picking up a flamenco guitar should be smaller then for a white ass eskimo like meself.
But yes, that's another generalisation. I guess you are right. It's a silly question, sorry. Afro's don't need other cultures.
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