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paco picado
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This is a thread about language in general. I have lived in Germany and could survive if I went back there tomorrow, I was picking stuff up rapid, by the time I left. They say language learning doesn’t flow in a continua’s arc, like on a graph, but advances in steps, and what is also important, is the age at which u begin to learn. I would categorically say trying to learn a language fluent past the age of mid forties from scratch is virtually imposable. Unless you are a lucky freak. I also think the Spanish language is a weak language. A girl that taught at the Digami school of language in Almunecar, said learning Spanish is more about the culture than learning technique, she said Spanish a peasant language, compared to the extremely complex grammar and preciseness of the northern European languages, The beauty of Shakespeare, would never translate into such a base language as Spanish and another fluent Spanish speaker female friend said. I was speaking to my Spanish boyfriend on the dog and bone for an hour,and he was repeating the same dozen words over and over again, which where so vague it was almost like speaking to a monkey.
Cheers
Paco
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Date Jun. 13 2007 22:24:57
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Wannabee
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RE: Spanish language (in reply to paco picado)
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I'm not sure if this has anything to do with what the OP is suggesting, but perhaps...
I studied Spanish for about a year in Canada, both in classes and on my own. (using tape courses)
I then moved to Mexico to live and work, stayed there for a year and a half.
I felt that my Spanish was adequate to get me through most situations. I wouldn't say I was fluent, but I could have simple conversations and understand things on TV, and in most places where I needed to interact with people.
When I went to Spain however, it felt like I was starting from square UNO again.
Especially in Andalucia. The pronunciation is difficult enough with all that "th" stuff they do, but on top of that, they cut off all the word endings, mumble like they have a mouth full of potatoes, and also rattle through at 3 times the normal speed... AY DIOS MIO!
I seemed to be able to understand people on TV (some of them anyway) or people from other parts of Spain...but the Andalucians......UGG!
I'm not saying I agree with what the OP is suggesting, but I can see how someone might get that impression.
Suerte
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Date Jun. 14 2007 4:54:56
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John O.
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From: Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany
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RE: Spanish language (in reply to paco picado)
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quote:
This is a thread about language in general. I have lived in Germany and could survive if I went back there tomorrow, I was picking stuff up rapid, by the time I left. They say language learning doesn’t flow in a continua’s arc, like on a graph, but advances in steps, and what is also important, is the age at which u begin to learn. I would categorically say trying to learn a language fluent past the age of mid forties from scratch is virtually imposable. Unless you are a lucky freak. I also think the Spanish language is a weak language. A girl that taught at the Digami school of language in Almunecar, said learning Spanish is more about the culture than learning technique, she said Spanish a peasant language, compared to the extremely complex grammar and preciseness of the northern European languages, The beauty of Shakespeare, would never translate into such a base language as Spanish and another fluent Spanish speaker female friend said. I was speaking to my Spanish boyfriend on the dog and bone for an hour,and he was repeating the same dozen words over and over again, which where so vague it was almost like speaking to a monkey.
Cheers
Paco
Yeah my grandma learned Spanish in like a week. My friend told me that they're now teaching monkeys Spanish.  But seriously you're right, a lot of words are used over and over, like el, la, lo, yo, tu and such. A peasant language it is, influenced by Latin, which we all know was a poor man's language - I mean just look at Latin America!!!
My mom and I moved to Germany when she was over 40, speaks fluent German and worked as a study coordinator for a university clinic. No offense to her, but she's not necessarily a genius.
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Date Jun. 14 2007 11:04:08
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Ricardo
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Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
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RE: Spanish language (in reply to paco picado)
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quote:
SOLO FLAMENCO GUITAR is dead. Thats why Faucher ( Affedis) is nearly going bust. There is absolutely NO market anymore with solo flamenco, unless u bring along a troupe, when was the last time anyone heard of Jaun Martin touring the country? Like Don Peron once said solo F Guitar gets boring after a few minutes, to the average punter
Are you just pushing people's button's or what? You have no clue man. Do you live in a box or something? Nuñez gave 100 guitar concerts last year, some of them were only guitar, not even cajon. PDL was on tour too, even though 3 years ago he was saying no more, at least coming to USA. Tomatito/Vicente toured, Chicuelo with Poveda and Duquende, etc etc., Paco Peña....How does Faucher involve the solo guitar life or death? How about, some guys finally got pissed at him for making money on others compositions all these years, and asked him to stop selling stuff he does not have rights too?
And finally what does D. Pohrens opinion have to do with it at all? Weren't you the guy who said earlier that no one liked YOUR solo playing or something, said your music was strange, and you got kicked out of a bar or something? Sounds like you are just venting PERSONAL frustrations with your own playing and experience with flamenco. Do you think THIS is the place for that? Considering folks here are fans, aficionados, enthusiasts, if not even PROFESSIONAL flamenco players? Perhaps if you don't find enough folks to commisserate with your situations, then it must be that flamenco guitar is dead, and having to learn spanish is pointless.
Anyway, I hope things change your attitude brighten up for you, because your comments and general negativity are borderline offensive to some.
Ricardo
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Date Jun. 15 2007 19:53:37
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