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Dance and cante accompaignement advices
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Florian
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From: Adelaide/Australia
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 RE: How the hell.... (in reply to XXX)
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what is with money?
thats a tricky one, if they offer fine but most of the time for a guitarist whos never accompanied before most of the time they dont pay, depends on the person u are dealing with, its different in each situation, but expect to put in atlist 1 to 2 years of free accomp, and also expect to have to move schools after that time to get paid because the teacher will always see the unexperienced accompanist that walked trough the door 2 years ago, there comes a time when u can say " Ok , i would like to get paid now please"
but like i said its different in each situation, there are many people who will pay straight away.
but the way i see it u are using the teacher as much as he or she is using u in the first 2 years.
my circumasances were very different , i was a beginner beginner at guitar had mibe 4 months of lessons and dance teacher told me to start going into classes, i was learning compas and learning getting used to guitar at the same time as i was learning to accompany it was pretty hard, i was humiliated and embarrased and thrown into the deep end way too soon  but i dont regret a second of it, one thing any guitarist needs when accompaning is to develop thick skin and lose your ego.
and i did free accomp for about 4 years but like i said i used the teacher as much as she used me.
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Date Apr. 16 2007 15:15:01
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: How the hell.... (in reply to koella)
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Even when you're unexperienced, when the teacher is charging the students extra for live accompanying, you should at least get paid something !
True. Even if you are "learning on the job", you are still working and DOING the job, so deserve to be paid or compensated in some way. BUT, if you are generally fuera compas, missing endings constantly, and don't really "get it" or just practicing your solos or techniques while they 'dance to it", that is not really doing your job. Or you should be "fired", . But most teachers forgive these mistakes if you are learning, but for god's sake you should not be charging if you can't keep a beat. So best is to ask the teacher while understanding where YOU stand as a player at the same time.
Number one problem I find with students playing for dance is tempo. If teahcer says, please don't speed up, and you say "I was going with you guys....", umm, you are not helping the class, nor are you learning. Holding down the tempo the teacher wants is priority one.
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Date Apr. 16 2007 17:59:47
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Jon Boyes
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RE: How the hell.... (in reply to koella)
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ORIGINAL: koella
I would say, if the dance instructor can really teach you ( methodically ) how to accompany, what do play in what palos, how she counts, show you llamada's, silencio ( etc. ) to keep attention to. Well, I would say offer to pay for that info.
You're missing the point, its not his/her job to do all that in the class, there isn't time. The instructor is there to teach the dance students, not the guitarist.
You learn a lot from accompanying but its not like having guitar lessons, most dancers would simply not have knowledge to show you what you should be doing.
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Date Apr. 17 2007 11:27:23
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John O.
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From: Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany
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RE: How the hell.... (in reply to Ricardo)
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Number one problem I find with students playing for dance is tempo. If teahcer says, please don't speed up, and you say "I was going with you guys....", umm, you are not helping the class, nor are you learning. Holding down the tempo the teacher wants is priority one.
Oops, done that. It wasn't until the actual show though, ahem. We were supposed to speed up at the end/climax, but I guess not as much as we did. I was kind of caught up in the excitement. At least it came over really well, though it pissed off the instructor...
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Date Apr. 17 2007 11:35:00
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Mark2
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From: San Francisco
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RE: How the hell.... (in reply to Franchiquito)
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A teacher I worked for always wanted to have a guitarist in her classes and she paid me from day one, when I knew almost nothing about playing for dance. I could keep compas however, but I made a lot of mistakes. At a certain point I started working with her on her dances outside of class, and that is when i really started to get it. She never charged me for that, and unless she also had had guitar knowledge (ie:play a triplet ras here, then change to B7 here), it wouldn't be right to do so, IMO.
A class, unless they are very advanced, cannot usually complete a professional dance and you could spend years in classes without learning how to play all the things needed for a pro level dance. Teachers often simplify and shorten the dances they teach their students. They usually can't reach the speed or have the strengh and stamina to do the full length dances. A big solea/sig/alegrias can last over ten minutes. That's a lot to remember and execute.
To really do a good job playing for classes, you need to know what the teacher wants. It'a a matter of getting to know her and what she likes. Ideally, you should be supporting the class by playing things that will help them get the steps they are working on. Hopefully, you can also play inspiring things that keep everyone's interest, including your own. Guitarists who get paid to to play for a class full of women have a really good situation, IMO. In my area three hours of classes pays as much some jazz gigs...........with no dancing girls. 
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Date Apr. 17 2007 18:02:57
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