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Guitar string height... requesting pictures
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JBASHORUN
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 RE: Guitar string height... requesti... (in reply to Nemo Nint)
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Thats funny. The CG171SF DOESN'T show up on the English Yamaha website, but it DOES on the American and Canadian ones. Whereas the "Flamenco Standard" DOESN'T show up on the American and English websites, but it DOES on the Canadian one.
It would seem that Yamaha are selling different products in different countries.
As for the difference between the CG171SF and the Flamenco Standard, the only difference I can see is that the CG171SF has a NATO wood neck, whereas the Flamenco Standard has a MAHOGANY neck. Exactly how much relevance the neck material has to the sound is debateable. But if there is a weight difference between the two woods, then I think the lighter one would be preferable.
The other thing is that the "Flamenco standard" specs say the back and sides are SOLID cypress, whereas the CG171SF specs just say "Cypress". As far as I know, the CG171SF uses LAMINATED cypress, instead of solid cypress. But SOLID woods are preferable to laminated ones when making musical instruments. As for how much this affects tone- again, its debateable, but I would say that a guitar made with solid wood back and sides "should" sound better than one made from laminated woods.
If anyone else disagrees, feel free to share your views...
Jb
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Date Oct. 29 2006 15:51:50
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Hugh
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RE: Guitar string height... requesti... (in reply to Nemo Nint)
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Price is fine for what it is, exactly £249.23 delivered to the door.
Its a great wee guitar for that kind of money. It makes a difference if you are like me and not afraid to work on the neck a bit, and get it more playable so to speak.
I've changed the saddle and nut to bone, and it has really made quite a difference to the sound quality.
Everytime I've changed the strings, I've worked on the frets, getting them smoothed down a bit. It just about as good as it will get now.
If you can do this work yourself, it brings the instrument up to a par with far more costly guitars. I did it with my Yamaha classical years ago. It cost me around £400 at the time, and when I'd finished with it, It played and sounded better than some guitars over £1000 that I tried out in the guitar stores in Glasgow.
A lot of folk dont realise that when you buy a factory made guitar, the finishing quality leaves a lot to be desired. I was in Sound Control once looking at some guitars to pass the time.I picked up this Les Paul Custom, and the finished quality was atrocious for what the cost was. It was in the £1500 cost bracket, which for that kind of money, I would expect much much better. I'd have had to spend a lot of time and work on that instrument to get it to a fast rock playing capability.
The only thing I'd say, which I think it was you Jb that mentioned before, is that if you go down the same road as me, you almost certainly invalidate your warranty on the instrument. So, if you're not sure about what you're doing, dont touch it.
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Date Oct. 30 2006 8:29:30
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Hugh
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RE: Guitar string height... requesti... (in reply to Nemo Nint)
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Ha ha, well you'll probably laugh at my makeshift implements for doing the job.
As its not a thing I do very often, I dont have proper tools for the job, so I just make do with what I can find.
Firstly I put electric tape in between the frets so as the wood does'nt get damaged when I am filing the frets.
I did'nt have a proper really smooth file so I used these emery boards that the wife uses for her nails (she has'nt found out yet), there are all different grades she has in her collection. I started off with a pretty rough one then used the smoothest I could find, finally I used t-cut to polish off any roughness and they turned out just fine.
I did'nt have too much to take off the surface of the frets.
I dont have a proper level so I made do with a long metal handplane, sitting it along the frets on its edge, it shows up any high frets. I had a light at the back of it to show up any spaces better. It might sound a bit amateur but it works if you just take your time and put a lot of effort into it.
I've been doing this over the space of maybe three/four string changes, til I got it the way I wanted it. Dont go crazy and try to do too much on the one go.
Do a bit, try it out for a while, and if it needs more just take another wee bit off next string change til you are happy with it.
I know to the more professional luthiers on here this will sound terrible. But hey, it works for me.
And all I spent was £7.50 on a saddle and nut for the replacement.
Its easy to do as long as you are carefull.
Bye the way, the emery paper on the spirit level sounds good too, I never thought of that idea. Thats one for the memory banks, ta....Hugh.
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Date Oct. 30 2006 14:26:52
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Like I said it is personal preference. I saw a vid of Segovia in his 80's or 90's and the action on his Ramirez was so darn high he could barely push the strings down. 
A friend had a classical guitar and he had a nice sweet clear sound, but when I played flamenco on it, I was able to make it buzz more than my flamenco guitar. 
