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henrym3483

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cool juan martin vid 

cool juan martin vid, this is what flamenco about.making you ex feel like an eeejit!!

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 4 2006 10:37:32
 
Jon Boyes

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RE: cool juan martin vid (in reply to henrym3483

The last time someone posted this it caused a huge row, a massive long thread full of insults and several people left.

I'd tread carefully if I were you, JM is a controversial character in the flamenco world.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 4 2006 11:00:51
 
henrym3483

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From: Limerick,Ireland

RE: cool juan martin vid (in reply to Jon Boyes

nah it aint the rumba one, its another.its a music vid, there's like two lovers or something in it!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 4 2006 11:28:20
 
TANúñez

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RE: cool juan martin vid (in reply to Jon Boyes

quote:

The last time someone posted this it caused a huge row, a massive long thread full of insults and several people left.

I'd tread carefully if I were you, JM is a controversial character in the flamenco world.


What was so bad about this video? It was cool.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 4 2006 12:55:42
 
seanm

 

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From: Halifax, Nova Scotia

RE: cool juan martin vid (in reply to henrym3483

FYI, I was at a workshop with Juan a couple of weeks ago and he showed me that rumba stroke. Its simple and as he said 'it's just played really fast'. Not sure if I dare post it and get all that going again though.

Sean
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 4 2006 13:21:32
 
TANúñez

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RE: cool juan martin vid (in reply to seanm

Post it! Juan isn't the greatest but he is very good. Better than I'll ever be and I'm sure a lot of us here could learn a thing or too from him.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 4 2006 14:08:15
 
seanm

 

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RE: cool juan martin vid (in reply to henrym3483

He's a great guy and a very strong traditional player. He played palo after palo and had tons of falsettas for each. A very solid dance and cante accompanist. Anyway ... (danger danger!) ... this is how it goes ... very simple but just play it very fast.

||: 1 & 2 & :||

* ami ami p

(slap) (up) (down) (up)

That's it (sorry the alignment is bad but it simple one to one).

Sean
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 4 2006 14:52:23
 
Jamey

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From: Winnipeg, Canada

RE: cool juan martin vid (in reply to Jon Boyes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jon Boyes

The last time someone posted this it caused a huge row, a massive long thread full of insults and several people left.

I'd tread carefully if I were you, JM is a controversial character in the flamenco world.

Hi Jon,
IMHO, people get too worked up over pointless things. I remember "the troubles" you're talking about. It comes down to people seeing themselves too aligned to a given player or style (e.g.. ever notice how some get too wrapped up in G. Nuñez' approach or similar players while being derisive towards other players of a different ilk? How they inadvertently attack the comments of others when they contain preference or adolation of different styles or players like Diego del Gastor or JM or Paco Peña?). Name calling is unfortunate if not completely childish and ignorant. Tantrums are something my two year old throws and shouldn't be the stuff of guitarists or wannabe guitarists like myself. Leaving a forum is also inane but I suppose understandable if you are getting nothing but sh*t and abuse each time you sign on.

I for one really like Juan Martín. Not because he's exceptional in his virtuosity and speed (he isn't), but because he's accessible to me and that every once in a while, he comes up with an arrangement or phrasing that is at the same time both simple and elegant in it's sound (not always, but he does come up with them from time to time). He IS a very good player. It's just that we seldom see it because often what we see is teaching material from him consisting of basics or intermediate level material. Perhaps I should say he's a good traditional player that seems to cherish Flamenco and apparently prefers to keep things simple rather than overly showy. Working through his books and DVDs (those two volumes he has through Mel Bay) has helped me with my approach to Paco Peña's Toques Flamenco which in turn has helped me with all of the other material I have to work on (Habichuela, Moraíto, Sabícas). Nobody on any of these forums is good enough to cop the kinds of attitudes we unfortunately see often enough (except maybe Grisha, but he's been nothing but gracious and humble in his postings from what I've seen).

I say, post JM if you want to and just enjoy it for what it is...someone playing a piece of music because he likes to.

- Jamey
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 4 2006 19:09:14
 
Jim Opfer

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RE: cool juan martin vid (in reply to Jamey

quote:

He IS a very good player. It's just that we seldom see it


Hi Jamey, I take your point about tantrums and name calling but to say he's a very good player?
The thing is that Juan has very cleverly managed to spin an illusion and promote himself to stardom yet in the real world his toque is really only average given so many exceptional players in Spain and around the world.
It's all a bit sick and this video sums it up. I mean, the dance was dross and who ever witnessed PDL or Vicente or .......the list of quality flamencos is extensive, lying back on a velvet coutch strumming his guitar? (no inuendo intended )
He should have a big red face yet he's oblivious and folk seem to love it.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 12 2006 20:01:05
 
henrym3483

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From: Limerick,Ireland

RE: cool juan martin vid (in reply to Jim Opfer

Jim Opfer,

quote:

lying back on a velvet coutch strumming his guitar? (no inuendo intended )
He should have a big red face yet he's oblivious and folk seem to love it.


ah come on jim,it's just a wee bit of a laugh.i just posted it cause of the video storyline.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 13 2006 11:15:08
 
Jim Opfer

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RE: cool juan martin vid (in reply to henrym3483

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i just posted it cause of the video storyline


What storyline?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 13 2006 12:47:07
 
henrym3483

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From: Limerick,Ireland

RE: cool juan martin vid (in reply to henrym3483

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What storyline?


y'know the blok turning up at a cafe/resto where his ex dance's i found it humourous...

obviously some of the foro members don't find my sense of humour appealing.....
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 13 2006 19:32:18
 
Jim Opfer

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RE: cool juan martin vid (in reply to henrym3483

Sorry Henry, I re-read your original post and see you were jesting
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