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Ways of learning new compositions?
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Gecko
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Joined: Jan. 2 2006
From: New Mexico
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RE: Ways of learning new compositions? (in reply to Nemo Nint)
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I'm sure I will be the oddball here again, but I use the standard notation as I was required to learn it early on. Moreover, I have found that tabs do not contain the note values, eg Whole/Half/Quarter/Dotted, etc and sometimes do not contain all the articulations (frequently ties, barres and positions) nor usually the LH fingerings which are sometimes helpful to me when learning a piece. So for me this prevents having to go back and forth from tab to notation, tab to notation. For me tabs are just as foreign as notation is for many others. Still, on occasion I do use tabs, mostly when I come across a chord which I don't immediately recognize from the notes, but thats becoming rarer and rarer now. Speaking strictly for myself I also somehow find it satisfying to know that the number 9 position on the 5th string is a F# and not simply a Number 9. I try to learn about four measures at a time (sometimes more, depending upon how repetitious it is) until I have a complete phrase/section (chording compas or falseta) learned/memorized. Then move on to the next one while trying to build speed and precision on the one(s) I have just learned. Normally, I sacrifice speed for precision and play very slowly for quite a while. I have also found that listening to a piece, if I can find it, helps me a lot.
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Date Jul. 24 2006 10:32:57
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Miguel de Maria
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RE: Ways of learning new compositions? (in reply to Nemo Nint)
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Nemo, I think the best way is to learn purely by ear. My reason for saying this is that music is an aural, not a visual art, and the stronger you can connect the ear to the fingers, the more masterful you will be. Someone who can't learn something by ear is missing something very important. The difference between someone with a good ear and someone with a good eye is listening to Ron's rasgueados versus some sloppy Paco falsetas. I don't think there are any top flamencos who learned with tab. By the way, Grisha learned his Paco by ear, when he was a little kid. Todd learns by ear too. See the pattern? That being said, it does take a lot of work (and time) and not everyone is up for it. In that case, the best way is to still listen, but use the tab or the notation to find the notes. Don't get too caught up in the intricacies of the notation style, because again it's music and what you hear is a lot more important than what you see.
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Date Jul. 24 2006 14:58:31
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Nemo Nint
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RE: Ways of learning new compositions? (in reply to Nemo Nint)
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Hey everyone, thanks very very much for your great replies! Sometimes, I'm very masochistic and I make things too hard, but I think that way I'll end up being stronger in the end. So far, I"m just learning falseta bits and I"m all over the place with skill. I think most the time I"m okay (for my own enjoyment) but other times I have terrible mistakes constantly. But playing by standard notation is harder yet it sticks in my head easier. Playing by tab is easier but it takes longer for me to remember it, unless I hear the composition in a recording- then it's really easy for me to pick up. But I"m going to give that learning by ear a go. I don't have the patience to learn flamenco by ear (yet) because I am not fast enough, and I don't have perfect, nor relative pitch. I'm working on those! I'll work with orchestral classical-type songs for a bit, before I try flamenco ear-training. @duende: I also find my eyes jumping between notation and tab in books when they're on top of eachother, and I get messed up a lot. I've been reading a lot of the older threads on this forum and I think I need to concentrate a lot more! I'm still new at this flamenco music, really. It's more intellectual than instinct & inspired.
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Date Jul. 24 2006 18:58:06
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