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 RE: Quote from a Paco de Lucía Inte... (in reply to Doitsujin)
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If you have no compas, your are nothing.. If you have compas but no good compositions..you are still nothing, but a litte better than without compas.
****. Flamenco guitarists in Andalucía with real compás never stop working, compositions or not. But they know how to accompany cante and/or baile.
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Date Jul. 23 2006 14:40:39
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RE: Quote from a Paco de Lucía Inte... (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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What if you have good compositions but no compas?
Then you are a guitarist but not flamenco. If your intention is to compose within flamenco and still you have no compas, you are not even a good musician.
Sean
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Date Jul. 23 2006 15:36:27
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RE: Quote from a Paco de Lucía Inte... (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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Go for Doit, might as well make some money. Better than playing for free for some that big woman dancer that was giving you trouble before :)
I've never busked before, but I think it might be good to teach you to play while people are watching and to develop some showmanship.
First of all, I'm not talking about Doitsuin, because I don't know him. But I bet he's cool  (besides he already said he's done it before - playing on the streets that is)
Second, I respect you Miguel, because you are a worker.
But there are many people who prefer sitting in their bedrooms and playing bulerias, then going out on the streets and play rumbas. It's pride, ego. It's silly, pathetic and you have to get rid of it.
My compañero has bad experiences with so called "awesome guitarists". They were so full of themselves, that they eventually didn't feel like playing in bars, because they have after all finished musical academies.......And now, you know what they do? Nada, they feel sorry for themselves and want to play with him again. Now that's pathetic.
You can play whatever you like as long as you don't call yourself flamenco guitarists. The worst thing is to become a slave of some kind of music. If you like it, you can play rumbas all night long. Life is short....
(Man, more and more I realize, where I live, almost every guitarists is a ****. Everyone feels somehow threathened by other guitarists and it's really sad.)
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Date Jul. 24 2006 9:02:55
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Miguel de Maria
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RE: Quote from a Paco de Lucía Inte... (in reply to Ron.M)
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My experience is this--the music which is closest to the music the people listen to, is the one they will enjoy.
The further it gets away from what they listen to everyday, the less they can understand it. And without that understanding, they have no basis for actually enjoying it. The only exception is that of exoticism. There is a certain appeal of something different and foreign and evocative other cultures, that some people like. These people are your friends!
I had this illustrated recently while playing for some friends of my wife. When I played Samba pa ti and Europa simple melodies with rather typical chord progressions, they listened to every note. When I played classical or solea, etc., their attention started wandering and eventually they started talking amongst themselves. It was a good reminder of what people really like. The funny thing is that I played the Samba and Europa very lightly and inconsequentially, but they shut up and listened intently. The other pieces, much more challenging and valuable to me, simply went over their heads and became background music.
It is a good idea for a musician to make some effort to find music that both he and his customers like. I feel sorry for the classical guitarists that I know who have studied too much and now like atonal 20th cent. music that they can't play at gigs because someone would tell them to tune their guitars. Likewise, it must be hard for the flamenco who plays only bulerias for singers to try to play for normal people who think cantaorers need to be put out of their misery and bulerias sounds too much like heavy metal. I respect them but it must hard to play for norma people.
But you can mix and match. Some bones to be tossed to audience here, some bulerias there, a pop song arranged for guitar here, a challenging piece there.
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Date Jul. 24 2006 21:50:47
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JasonM
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RE: Quote from a Paco de Lucía Inte... (in reply to Ron.M)
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I Have the same experiences when playing for friends and familiy too. For some reason, I always get asked to play guitar, and then 1 minute later I become backround music. It took me a long time to realize that most people are not impressed or moved by flamenco guitar. I was the second I first heard it, so I figured it must be an undiscovered gem in America. Yeah right! Its definetely a different music culture in ethnomusicololigal terms. Even to me, without the Jazz influence, straight, traditional, raw Flamenco music sounds really foreign to me.
Funny thing too is that I just got back into flamenco after a long brake, where I was playing some other music, and noticed that it took me a second to get used to the dissonant harmonies, but especially chord progressions that aren't tonic- dominant -subD/ American etc. I was saying to myself "wow my guitar really does sound like its out of tune!"
By the way, I think Doitsujin has a good point with the computer being able to stay in compas. I think Paco is talking about feel or feeling, but also with good timing because that is part of what makes music subconciously enjoyable. "white boy ain't got no rhythm." Sure he does. He just can't dance becuase he can't "feel  ".
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Date Jul. 25 2006 1:44:44
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JasonM
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RE: Quote from a Paco de Lucía Inte... (in reply to Ron.M)
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But there are many people who prefer sitting in their bedrooms and playing bulerias, then going out on the streets and play rumbas. It's pride, ego. It's silly, pathetic and you have to get rid of it.
Thats true. If every artist/musician created based on what other people might like there would be no real art and Only Ms. Spears and her babies.
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You can play whatever you like as long as you don't call yourself flamenco guitarists. The worst thing is to become a slave of some kind of music. If you like it, you can play rumbas all night long. Life is short....
Thats interesting because I have been thinking about/experiencing that lately. If someone plays one genre of music every day, studies music in college, plays for a living, plays flamenco everyday for years. eventually they must get tired of it. Mabey some days they love it and some days they hate it, but yet can't live with out it? Its monotony. Just like many people get sick having the same wife or the same job for 40 years, but yet still love their wife and job. What if you are in limbo? I need to stop rambling, my guitar is calling! LOL!
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Date Jul. 25 2006 3:10:53
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