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bahen
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 RE: New Tab - El Viejin bulerias (in reply to Conrad)
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ORIGINAL: Conrad
I imagine because of flamenco's oral tradition of sharing that the artists would not be too upset
Exactly.
As for a falseta being an original composition or a 'traditional' one... well, that's an odd distinction to make since even the traditional ones were, at one time, original compositions. Someone on this forum had a really nice signature, I forgot who it was, but it went something like this: Don't worry about people copying your ideas, if they are good enough, you will have to to ram them down people's throats anyhow.
Power to you and Benjamin, Conrad. Well done. I think it's nonsense that flamenco guitarists, being part of an oral and free-trading tradition, would adopt the capitalistic addiction with owning and price-tagging everything.
- bahen
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Date May 18 2006 23:45:05
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Conrad
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From: Toronto, ON, Canada
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RE: New Tab - El Viejin bulerias (in reply to seanm)
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Hi,
I am learning a lot from people's ideas on this matter... I should say one thing which is that originally I had hoped to contact all these artists and ask for permission, maybe even in the hopes of selling my work (and paying royalties) but I decided that it is nearly an impossible task! Instead I offer them gratuitously because I want to raise awareness of these artists as Phil acknowledged. I strongly doubt that any of this material will ever be published. Flamenco is unique that way. What percentage of flamenco falsetas or compositions are officially published compared to other music?
That said, to me the only trouble here is that as Sean rightly and eloquently suggested, these artists may wish to offer official scores of their own work. In the meantime, I do only tabs which to my good knowledge, have not been published and I don't think there is enough material on my site yet to put a threat in to that opportunity that they have. The variety I offer also dampens the effect.
I do want to account for this possiblity, but I mean, it's just so unlikely that these things will be put to paper by anyone else, and they should be!! So now you see the quandary!! HA!
-Con
p.s. I have had proposed commisions to transcribe things by people in Spain and elsewhere, but I've turned them down due to these moral and practical complications and all the aforementioned issues in this thread. Furthermore, my work could easily be stolen (and sold or spread free) if I did transcribe a whole album, for example. It's what has happened so rampantly with Alain Faucher's work, I know.
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Date May 19 2006 2:34:13
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Kate
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Joined: Jul. 8 2003
From: Living in Granada, Andalucía
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RE: New Tab - El Viejin bulerias (in reply to Conrad)
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ORIGINAL: Conrad
I had hoped to contact all these artists and ask for permission, maybe even in the hopes of selling my work (and paying royalties)
Its not the artists that give permission but the publishers. They own this intellectual property. Nothing to do with flamenco or attitude of the musicians. Contacting the publishers is not an impossible task, just a phonecall or a letter. Though as you say there is not much demand for them so its not exactly a commercial venture. That's a shame.
If they are just traditional falsetas that everyone plays then there should be no problem, they would be considered in the public domain.
Just trying to help here not knock what you are doing at all. You should offer to transcribe for the artists, colloborate on teaching books, DVDs etc. Problem is, apart from Paco, most flamenco artists could not afford to pay you, you'd probably have to work on a royalty basis, though that would not work if they were given away free.
I'd love to do a package for Emilio Maya's album where you get the tabs when you download the whole album. One of his students once offered to do this as a favour to the maestro but ended up asking for us to pay for his flight, accomodation and meals, for a broadband intenet access and computer and he would want free daily lessons while he was here. We turned down his kind offer 
Kate
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Date May 19 2006 7:52:09
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bahen
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RE: New Tab - El Viejin bulerias (in reply to Kate)
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Music is a business like any other.
I beg to differ.
Like I said, this is just a poor generalisation of the hyper-capitialistic obsession with price-tagging, owning, and as you put it, making everything into a business. It's ridiculous. I don't argue that there is no line, and that all is free. For example, I do purchase my own flamenco CDs (but I do not purchase my own pop CDs from artists who are too rich for their own good anyway). But to argue that we should not even TRANSCRIBE flamenco and partake in the tradition's culture of openness and sharing? Christ.
Music, and specifically flamenco, is not a business. It's sad to hear you say that. It's a culture, though of course, you should not have to hear that from someone living outside of Andalucia (unlike yourself).
- bahen
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Date May 19 2006 21:34:32
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