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Ricardo

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to tk)

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ORIGINAL: tk

which Rosalia is this? I am curious at this point

As to her competence as a cantaora, here is a Caña, fairly orthodox, just she is weak expressively compared to majority of professionals. Everything negative about her career has to do with taste mainly. People that claim she is a “good” flamenco singer probably don’t really know how to judge a performance such as this one, which is simply “she could get the job done”, the best of her abilities allow.

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estebanana

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to Mark2)

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ORIGINAL: Mark2

OMG I laughed out loud. Was at the dentist last week and he beat the crap out of my mouth.

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ORIGINAL: Stu

I cant hear the name Kenny G without thinking about the waynes world films.

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She’s wearing thigh high blue leather boots and a cheerleader

link?

Excellent!

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estebanana

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to Ricardo)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnlY-t2ohRX/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 1 2023 6:23:27

Filip

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to estebanana)

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnlY-t2ohRX/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Well this is at least better than Ottmar Liebert

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mark indigo

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to estebanana)

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She shouldn’t be advertised as having anything to do with flamenco, but that’s how the money people in the music business roll. They can be dishonest, and in her case profoundly dishonest. With artists like Ottmar or Kenny G, they are honestly represented as artists who do what they do. You don’t have to like them, but I’d not accuse them of false advertising or claiming to be in a genre they don’t understand.

In particular "artists like Ottmar.... are honestly represented as artists who do what they do. .... I’d not accuse them of false advertising or claiming to be in a genre they don’t understand."

I call the use of the term "Flamenco" here both profoundly dishonest and false advertising.

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mark indigo

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to estebanana)

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she’s doing the worst sloppy corte you have ever seen a clueless student beginner dancer do.

still hoping to see just how bad this is... didn't see anything vaguely resembling flamenco dance in the thigh high blue leather boots video Ricardo posted...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 1 2023 12:23:33

estebanana

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to Ricardo)

Ottmar, it say’s Nouveau Flamenco- no lie’s detected. He’s a rumba player and rumba is a sub genre of flamenco. At this point he’s our Carlos Montoya…

Would listen to it? Probably not, but he’s not being untrue about what he does. He probably can’t hold down the guitar chair in a quadro of grown up dancers who are not holding back. But neither could a lot oh guys who play sevillanas in the casetas at Féria and Sevillanas is still part of flamenco.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 1 2023 14:32:43

estebanana

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to mark indigo)

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ORIGINAL: mark indigo

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she’s doing the worst sloppy corte you have ever seen a clueless student beginner dancer do.

still hoping to see just how bad this is... didn't see anything vaguely resembling flamenco dance in the thigh high blue leather boots video Ricardo posted...

I saw it on an instagram account called World Flamenco or something like that. I’ll have to look back through my comments history.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 1 2023 14:35:09

estebanana

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to Ricardo)

I’m guilty of loving Sade-

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 1 2023 14:38:49

estebanana

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to mark indigo)

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ORIGINAL: mark indigo

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she’s doing the worst sloppy corte you have ever seen a clueless student beginner dancer do.

still hoping to see just how bad this is... didn't see anything vaguely resembling flamenco dance in the thigh high blue leather boots video Ricardo posted...

Well then maybe this was all for naught. Maybe there’s nothing flamenco about Rosalia and I just was on about nothing.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 1 2023 14:47:16

Morante

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to estebanana)

This is her novio; they are about to marry and she has bought a little house for a million euros.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 1 2023 16:17:16

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to Ricardo)

Hmmmm, I see lol

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ernandez R

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to Ricardo)

Ooh, I’ll jump in.

Ask yourself first, do you watch your favorite flamenco artest or listen?

I get it a rare few of you get to watch but the rest of us payos use iTunes or vinal, I can’t stand uTube so I don’t.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 1 2023 17:53:38

devilhand

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to Ricardo)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: tk

which Rosalia is this? I am curious at this point

She should hire some bad ass choreographer to take her dancing skills to the next level. The way she dances is kind of meh.

K-pop artists set the bar high. Blackpink's Lisa is dancing to Rosalia's Malamente. Each and every move is perfectly in sync with the beat.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 1 2023 22:14:21

estebanana

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to Ricardo)

I want everyone to get off my lawn.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 2 2023 13:08:05

Ricardo

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to estebanana)

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I want everyone to get off my lawn.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 3 2023 11:42:16

JasonM

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to estebanana)

OMG! Bizzzach-ito is my favorite new Rosalia tune! Thanks. Can't stop replaying it on TikTok now!

Pat Methane: I always liked his James tune. This live version with Michael Brecker. Great early nineties nostalgia.

But Ive never been a huge fan. Always thought he was high on the horse, with his "No one record my live performances. My Improv is only for the time and place in the moment" or, is there another reason Pat?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 5 2023 14:27:32

AndresK

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to Ricardo)

https://youtu.be/aZvqY5JsIDI

Spot the Rosalia in the video.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 31 2023 18:07:23

Mark2

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to estebanana)

No, it's much worse than you think. I was invited to play with him at a club called sol y luna in the 90's. They had a quadro playing that night and the guitarist was Don F. You probably remember him. He was a solid player, and as I sat listening to him I thought he was as good as anyone playing flamenco in the bay area at that time. Way beyond my skills at least.

After their set, the owner invited me to jam with Don and Ottmar, which I did. We played a few of Ottmar's tunes to the delight of the audience. He was at his peak of popularity at that time. They were easy to pick up on the fly-mostly two chord vamps, then a third chord for the chorus.

Then the ladies in the quadro joined us and started doing palmas por bulerias. I looked at Don and he looked at me and I believe the thought that passed between us was "he's the famous one, let him play" And he did. Total train wreak. Zero compas, no understanding of the form whatsoever.

Over the years since then I thought, given his situation, he'd study some and pick it up so that at least he wouldn't fall on his face like he did that night. I mean, I've had a few horrible moments onstage that led to a lot of practice. Based on videos it seems that didn't happen. You can call it rumba all you want but when you call your breakout record "New Flamenco" I think you have a responsiblity to know some flamenco. I'd rather listen to Rosalia.

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

Ottmar, it say’s Nouveau Flamenco- no lie’s detected. He’s a rumba player and rumba is a sub genre of flamenco. At this point he’s our Carlos Montoya…

Would listen to it? Probably not, but he’s not being untrue about what he does. He probably can’t hold down the guitar chair in a quadro of grown up dancers who are not holding back. But neither could a lot oh guys who play sevillanas in the casetas at Féria and Sevillanas is still part of flamenco.

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mark indigo

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RE: Rosalia is absolute garbage (in reply to Mark2)

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You can call it rumba all you want but when you call your breakout record "New Flamenco" I think you have a responsiblity to know some flamenco.

yep!

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