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Malthus101

 

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Cante jondo - Granea? Granada? 
Hola

In one of Adam del Monte's introductory videos he is describing the styles of Cante Jondo. I hear Tarantas and Minera... but the third I can't make out what he says. It's either Granea or Granada, indeed, he is desribing the style of guitar playing from Granada but... I don't know if he means the style of Cante jondo is also called Granda.

Any ideas? Thanks.
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Malthus101

 

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RE: Cante jondo - Granea? Granada? (in reply to Malthus101) 
I think it's Granainas....................
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Ricardo

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RE: Cante jondo - Granea? Granada? (in reply to Malthus101) 
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ORIGINAL: Malthus101

I think it's Granainas....................


One of the hardest styles to sing. Antonio Chacon developed it, so it carries a “payo” stigma but many gitanos sing it well. Here is one of my favorite versions, despite the title he is doing more or less the same style for both rather than the typical version used to introduce the malaguena Mellizo as Aurelio and others did.



Here is the simpler version that is typically used as the intro. I think the confusion in the previous video was the lyric which Chacon did sing a melody closer to the one below with. The idea being, first the easy style like a warm up, then the “macho” or the difficult style. Platero above was like doing two machos back to back. Below Camaron uses “media” Granaina as the intro for Chacón’s Malagueña. (Please note, if you play guitar, the key is Bb here so Tomatito plays at capo 6 in E.)



here is Chacon doing the originals:




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RE: Cante jondo - Granea? Granada? (in reply to Malthus101) 
Cool! Thanks for the info, links and education..... I am personally interested in flamenco guitar but any and all history is relevant.
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Ricardo

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RE: Cante jondo - Granea? Granada? (in reply to Malthus101) 
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ORIGINAL: Malthus101

Cool! Thanks for the info, links and education..... I am personally interested in flamenco guitar but any and all history is relevant.


Right, well, in that case, what you see and hear in the first and third videos I posted is the guitar form and typical licks you would use in a Granaina guitar solo, whereas the 2nd and fourth videos you see and hear guitar licks and phrases that fit a Malagueña guitar solo. But even better you get an idea of how the accompaniment works in the two different keys, and also why some people group flamenco song forms into families (these are the cantes Levantes collectively).

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