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BarkellWH
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 RE: Not another $200-$200k Guitar Vid (in reply to kitarist)
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I can't imagine how much he paid for it if the 1936 Hauser we see in the video is correctly priced, whatever that means.
As we know, in a market-based economy price is determined by supply and demand when an equilibrium is reached. The "correct" price for the Hauser is whatever the market will bear, given that the supply is extremely limited and will not increase, and demand could be, theoretically, infinite, depending on the desire of the buyers in the market for a Hauser.
What I cannot understand is how people can buy crypto-currency (bitcoin and the like, which is unregulated) for the outrageous price it reached. And the latest fad, NFTs, that are a digital form of so-called "art" for millions. You can't hang it on the wall or appreciate it as a tangible work of art. I assume you can only view it on a screen, but you are the sole "owner.". Crypto-currency and NFT "art work" remind me of the 17th century Dutch Tulip Mania, which came crashing down.
Given the direction of some elements of economic demand today, such as the above, perhaps a $200,000 Hauser is the more sensible option.
Bill
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Date May 9 2022 21:13:38
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: Not another $200-$200k Guitar Vid (in reply to RobF)
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ORIGINAL: RobF
The whole premise of the video is so ridiculous, I couldn’t bring myself to watch it.
Why not have an informed honest broker select a factory guitar from the $800-1200 range, a luthier made guitar in the $4000-6000 range, their $20,000 guitar and the $200,000 guitar and then put them through their paces? I bet the results might be surprising.
I can do that at home here, if you want (well, not the 200k example, but I have hauser 2). But the truth is I did this to myself with ToddK years ago. I was shocked that blindfolded play back of each guitar I recorded….my own guitars I just played moments earlier…I could not tell a freakin difference  . The price is about the look, feel, label. That is all.
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Date May 10 2022 13:19:52
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Ricardo
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RE: Not another $200-$200k Guitar Vid (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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ORIGINAL: Tom Blackshear
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The price is about the look, feel, label. That is all.
Respectfully, I have to agree that many players are not equipped to discern sound differences with guitars.
However, I find differences all the time with my fine tuning.
If you mean that you improve the sound along the way such that when you are satisfied, your instruments are ready to go out the door at approx the same minimum value (in your case it is a relatively high market price), then what I was saying was, how can you HEAR the difference between six examples or so, that you HAVE ALREADY TUNED to your liking??? I am certain you couldn’t, but you would have to test it. I know, fairly objectively that your tuning method “works” via the Pedro de Miguel example I happened to come across that was noticeably different than the norm…but it was also based on feel or “response” to my playing.
Regarding my quote, the 5 examples I tested myself with, from my own personal collection, each have their obvious response characteristics when in my hands. I am talking about outside of my subjective experience, I could not hear any difference upon instant playback. So it is not about players vs luthiers objective ears, but rather, the different things we are focusing our ears ON, when we have the things in our hot little hands.
One last thing to add, and again as objective science this “theory” of mine would be hard to test, but guitar “collections” tend to acquire a “sameness” in tone quality for some reason. I noticed this when I got into Brune’s old shop. I mean all the guitars had some certain quality in common, even the low end models or Marshal’s amazing “scrap wood flamenco” build, much like my personal collection has. Could it be the simple fact Richard plays them ALL?? That is a hard one to check objectively, however, when I re-acquired my first classical guitar (japanese Nagoya) I used from middle school to college (sold 1995) in 2019, it was amazing that it had that similar tone quality of my entire collection and was welcomed home. It got me thinking about this idea again that the player puts something into the instrument that is not there at first.
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Date May 12 2022 12:06:55
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Richard Jernigan
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From: Austin, Texas USA
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RE: Not another $200-$200k Guitar Vid (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
The price is about the look, feel, label. That is all.
Just curious—did you listen to the video? If so, did you hear any differences among the $2000 “Francisco Fleta,” the $20K Richard Brune, and the Hauser?
I listened with a pair of Sony WH-1000 XM3 headphones (electronics turned off) plugged straight into a Mac Mini, because that was what was at hand when I clicked on the video. I don’t prefer listening to big symphony stuff or, say a mambo band on headphones, because they don’t kick you in the chest, but for a fairly quiet instrument like the guitar, the Sonys sound pretty good.
I wasn’t surprised to hear a difference between the Japanese guitar and the Brune, but I was surprised at the difference between the Brune and the Hauser.
I often say, “No recording, played on any equipment, sounds like the real thing.” But I would expect to hear significant differences among the guitars if I played them, or if I was up close when Brandon Acker did.
I believe the fact that the microphones were fairly close to the instruments was a significant factor in the differing sounds of the recordings.
RNJ
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Date May 13 2022 2:12:07
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constructordeguitarras
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From: Seattle, Washington, USA
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RE: Not another $200-$200k Guitar Vid (in reply to Ricardo)
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One last thing to add, and again as objective science this “theory” of mine would be hard to test, but guitar “collections” tend to acquire a “sameness” in tone quality for some reason. I noticed this when I got into Brune’s old shop. I mean all the guitars had some certain quality in common, even the low end models or Marshal’s amazing “scrap wood flamenco” build, much like my personal collection has. Could it be the simple fact Richard plays them ALL?? That is a hard one to check objectively, however, when I re-acquired my first classical guitar (japanese Nagoya) I used from middle school to college (sold 1995) in 2019, it was amazing that it had that similar tone quality of my entire collection and was welcomed home. It got me thinking about this idea again that the player puts something into the instrument that is not there at first.
I think what you are talking about could be due to setup. Setup has a huge effect on both sound and playability, and it seems likely that the owner of a collection would want all his (or her, or...) guitars set up similarly for them to enjoy and for comparison.
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Date May 13 2022 18:46:10
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