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trying to understand the timing of this Paco Siguiriyas alzapua
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Ricardo
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Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
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RE: trying to understand the timing ... (in reply to johnnefastis)
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The reason I was going a bit nuts with the begining timing is there is actually a big gap between the first downstroke of the alzapua (1 in my screen grab) and then the hammer on to e (2). (Then 3 is D and 4 is the alzapua upstroke) So I was trying to write that down but I guess thats where the compas stretches a little and then Paco actually playes it pretty on the beat and speeds up a little in the second compas to make it more intense. Honestly I never felt a gap and the Bb bass note is felt as count 2 to me…as I am familiar with this type of phrases. The vagueness is caused by the up stroke which honestly could be intended to be simultaneous with the open D string (we see a similar thing happen later)…so as you pull off from E to D the thumb strokes upward at that same moment. The reason it doesn’t sound clear is actually because of Camaron screaming OLE!!…and as many times I annoyed my family with that rewinding in slow motion that first beat phrase, I never really heard anything different than straight 4 notes in one beat. So I don’t really hear a separation of 5 notes. The rhythm I wrote is a way to make it work, but 5 tuplets work, also 2 16th then three triplets…but again, I believe the intent to have the open D and the upstroke work together….so the very last 16th has to be the C note which leads into the strong accented Bb. EDIT…looking at your screen grab you could interpret the hammer, pull and up stroke, as 2 32nd notes and a 16th. So if you count 1 e & ah…as the 16ths of beat one, then the hammer on “e” will be 32nd, the pull off a 32nd, and the up stroke lands on “&” as 16th. The last 16th is C, then beat two starts with Bb.
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