RE: Dinner with Al Di Meola

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chester

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RE: Dinner with Al Di Meola (in reply to Mark2)

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ORIGINAL: Mark2

I'd disagree. Artists toured to promote the record. Tours were often a loss subsidized by record companies. And it wasn't the royalty the musican really cashed in on. That was mostly taken by the record company, it was the publishing income. One hit song, one SOLID hit, and you were set for life.

Songwriters still exist, and some of them are still raking it in. Most of today's top hits are written by professional songwriters, there are songs that are written by teams of songwriters.

But we're talking Al DiMeola and Paul Gilbert here. They were never writing songs for the radio. They were always touring (or teaching at MI, writing mel bay books, making hot licks videos, writing music for pornos etc).

I definitely don't think musicians are making a "ton" touring. Just saying that that's the job, always has been.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 18 2021 5:01:23

Ricardo

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RE: Dinner with Al Di Meola (in reply to chester)

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Are you suggesting there are no more shredders? Coz my weekly "release radar" playlist would beg to differ.

No, that those with talent will not be performing big venues or touring, only the few dinosaurs with a name will be able to sell expensive tickets to recoup the costs to tour. So over time music will be all youtube artists with edited videos and younger generations won’t experience the larger than life live show experience. The reason is as mark explained….they used to tour to promote new records, not vice versa. Eventually there will be no incentives to tour at all. Stay in your bed room making videos or you lose money.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 18 2021 16:13:13

Mark2

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RE: Dinner with Al Di Meola (in reply to chester)

Elegant Gypsy is number 12 on all time best selling jazz records. Gold record. I'm pretty sure Al was doing very well selling records, especially considering he wrote most of the material on his records. I'd be surprised if he didn't net at least 1.00 a record or more. At his peak I doubt he was doing a lot other than writing, recording, and gigging.

Now it's dinner with Al for 7,500. IMO that is because he's not near the peak of his popularity, and I believe it's in large part because artists have been cheated out of their share of recordings.

I don't know anything about Paul Gilbert....

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ORIGINAL: chester

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ORIGINAL: Mark2

I'd disagree. Artists toured to promote the record. Tours were often a loss subsidized by record companies. And it wasn't the royalty the musican really cashed in on. That was mostly taken by the record company, it was the publishing income. One hit song, one SOLID hit, and you were set for life.

Songwriters still exist, and some of them are still raking it in. Most of today's top hits are written by professional songwriters, there are songs that are written by teams of songwriters.

But we're talking Al DiMeola and Paul Gilbert here. They were never writing songs for the radio. They were always touring (or teaching at MI, writing mel bay books, making hot licks videos, writing music for pornos etc).

I definitely don't think musicians are making a "ton" touring. Just saying that that's the job, always has been.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 21 2021 21:15:35

devilhand

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RE: Dinner with Al Di Meola (in reply to JasonM)

****! A few days ago I searched the most recently uploaded Paco videos on youtube. Youtube gave me this. Don't know why this guy is whispering there.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 23 2021 19:32:20

Ricardo

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RE: Dinner with Al Di Meola (in reply to devilhand)

The friend with paco he talks about was rusel de Maria and the story has a lot more detail in his book. According to rusel the weed made things much worse

. It was the third day in the studio that things came together.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 24 2021 13:55:21

Filip

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RE: Dinner with Al Di Meola (in reply to chester)

He tells the same story here (though I think details are a bit different)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 26 2021 12:04:15

devilhand

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RE: Dinner with Al Di Meola (in reply to Ricardo)

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The friend with paco he talks about was rusel de Maria and the story has a lot more detail in his book. According to rusel the weed made things much worse . It was the third day in the studio that things came together.

I have to listen to the first part of the video. If I heard it right at the end of the video at 7:30, a remastered version of the same old San Francisco tape will be released in April 2022. I think he wants to cash in on it.

Back to the topic of this thread. A morally questionable fancy dinner that no one needs.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 26 2021 15:32:37

JasonM

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RE: Dinner with Al Di Meola (in reply to Ricardo)

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According to rusel the weed made things much worse

Always wondered about that! My nerves are terrible but I don’t think that would help me either!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 27 2021 15:06:31

Ricardo

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RE: Dinner with Al Di Meola (in reply to devilhand)

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If I heard it right at the end of the video at 7:30, a remastered version of the same old San Francisco tape will be released in April 2022. I think he wants to cash in on it.

You must have forgotten the detailed discussion on this not long ago?

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=324084&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=saturday%2Cnight&tmode=&smode=&s=#335861

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 28 2021 0:20:45

devilhand

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RE: Dinner with Al Di Meola (in reply to Ricardo)

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You must have forgotten the detailed discussion on this not long ago?

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=324084&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=saturday%2Cnight&tmode=&smode=&s=#335861

I remember this thread. I haven't read it through. Friday night in SF is not my stuff. And never will be. Never understood the hype behind it.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 28 2021 13:44:56

Ricardo

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RE: Dinner with Al Di Meola (in reply to devilhand)

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Never understood the hype behind it.

Two ridiculous high level electric guitarists do an unplugged collaboration with a flamenco master. No hype.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 28 2021 14:05:30

JasonM

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RE: Dinner with Al Di Meola (in reply to Ricardo)

Looks like Beato did the dinner

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kitarist

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RE: Dinner with Al Di Meola (in reply to JasonM)

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ORIGINAL: JasonM

Looks like Beato did the dinner

Sure looks that way

I don't think it was a freebie

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Ricardo

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RE: Dinner with Al Di Meola (in reply to JasonM)

We talked about it here….and kitarist corrected my “3rd day” story I miss read in Rusel de Maria’s book…it was the second day Paco sobered up and played good.
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=340083&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 6 2022 18:25:23