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It’s idiotic and it’s not worth the aggravation dealing with that level of ignorance. When I joined, it was because I felt I owed the Foro something, not the other way around, and that has been my stance ever since that moment.

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ORIGINAL: Pali

Hi, long one coming up....

There was a post about a guitar for sale that kind of went south a bit and it now seems to have been removed. But it contained some really significant points, at least in my opinion, made by both myself and estabanana, about the state of the Lutherie section and the relationship between the guitar makers who contribute to the section and the other members. I wish we would have had the opportunity to capture those points so we could have made a separate post. I think some of the ones made by Stephen were very important.

For my part, and I don’t know if it’s just me and due to how I present myself, but I’m beginning to wonder if the place is worth the effort. I have learned a lot from other makers on the Foro over the years and joined at a time when the continuance of the Foro was in question. I wanted to pay it back and also hoped that having some new blood contributing could help keep it happening.

I realize a lot of my posts are kind of just joking around, in part because I see no harm in the place being entertaining, but when I talk about guitar making my posts are sincere and informed. I may not get everything right, and I often bang out my responses pretty quickly, but I’ve also spent hours, even days, preparing and researching some of my responses to people seeking information.

Recently, there has been a spate of new members who don’t seem to have any appreciation that they are talking to real-world competent guitar makers who are well-versed and capable. There seems to be this idea that we are just a bunch of wannabes spouting opinions, but that’s not the case. The makers on here are, and I include myself in this group, kick-ass at their craft and they make world class guitars which can stand proudly beside the instruments of pretty well any other maker alive. And that’s not an opinion, it’s a f*cking fact.

So, for me, I think I’m done...at least for now. I don’t like the lack of respect and the rudeness, and recently I’ve found myself getting sucked into the morass. There’s been a few too many posts by people who clearly don’t know their butts from holes in the ground who too quickly will label anything they don’t want to hear as simply being “an opinion” and dismiss the fact that the person trying to help them actually might know what they’re talking about...and forget about expecting even a word of thanks or acknowledgement for the effort. It’s like they think the Foro owes them something. It’s idiotic and it’s not worth the aggravation dealing with that level of ignorance. When I joined, it was because I felt I owed the Foro something, not the other way around, and that has been my stance ever since that moment.

I really and genuinely value the acquaintances and friendships I’ve formed here, but I really think I should take a break, it’s affecting my happiness. That might seem thin-skinned, but after a number of years of actually taking the place quite seriously and sincerely attempting to contribute to its health and success, I guess a person can start to feel they have a vested interest. I don’t know. But it’s been a source of disappointment recently, so clearly it’s time for a break.

I really regret that the other post was removed, because Stephen managed to sum up my feelings on the subject in a far more elegant manner than I’ve just done.

This isn’t one of those hand-on-forehead good-bye posts, BTW, I’ll probably be back around as soon as I can think up a good joke. But as far as helping people in the Lutherie section goes, maybe I’ll be more careful and vet the people I respond to. I’m only really interested in spending the time and effort on working with sincere and respectful people. The funny thing is , I can tell pretty quickly who is going to end up making a nice guitar, Jason and Jonas being good examples. I knew right away those two would do great work. There are others who come along where I just think...good luck.

Simon, if you could bring back the points made by Stephen and me in that other post, or send them to me, I could cut and paste them over all the blather I just wrote. But I think the time is due for people to understood what some of the contributing makers to the Lutherie section have been going through. It’s not always pleasant, because we really do care about furthering the craft, and some weeks it feels like an uphill battle against the same recurring BS, over and over and over again. Kind of like Sisyphus.

Give me a day or so and I’ll probably pull a Piwin on this post, or condense it into something more meaningful, so please nobody go copying the whole darned thing and responding to it. That wouldn’t be a very nice thing to do. I want what I’ve just said to be put out there, but not necessarily forever. But I think it needs to be heard. If only for a few days.

Really, I’d rather just the salient points of the deleted post be returned, they said it better.



Nooooo Why? It's simple, you just have to have fun and ignore what you don't like ...

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Simon, if you could bring back the points made by Stephen and me in that other post, or send them to me, I could cut and paste them over all the blather I just wrote

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He said don’t cut and paste what he wrote. Smh

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ORIGINAL: constructordeguitarras

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Thanks for that insight. Any idea what my photo-posting problem could be?

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ORIGINAL: ernandez R
Pali,

I do agree with you and it's basically my forum mantra. Just have fun.

HR

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Thanks for that insight. Any idea what my photo-posting problem could be?