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Building 6 Negras
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RobF
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 RE: Buiding 6 Negras (in reply to R.Almeida)
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Hi Rômulo, welcome to the Foro!
I wish I could help you with finding the digital plans, but I can’t, so I hope someone can. It might help if you are more specific about which plans from each maker you want. Pretty well everyone will have an idea of what you mean for Reyes or Barbero, but the others can have pretty diverse plans, and there may be more than one pattern available. Which, in itself, is telling you something.
Also, the Reyes and Barbero patterns really originated from Santos, in some ways they all did, so maybe just studying his work is a better starting point. Then move on to the others.
My feeling about using the same specs for trying different bracing patterns is that it is of limited value because the chosen specification might only suit one or two of the patterns, and this can give a false sense of the behaviour of the others. But, even so, there is always something that can be learned. A thought, however...if your purpose is to study the traditional flamencas, perhaps you would be better served to first build Blancas, as opposed to Negras?
I checked out your Instagram pictures and I really like your work. You are very creative and your work is crisp and clean. I can also see that you’ve experimented quite a bit with bracing already, so I hope you don’t feel that I am trying to discourage you in any way. I hope you can find the digital renderings of the patterns you seek and I also hope that you will share your thoughts and findings with us here on the Foro as you continue with your research.
Best,
Rob
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Date Jun. 21 2021 1:52:13
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R.Almeida
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RE: Buiding 6 Negras (in reply to R.Almeida)
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Thanks a lot for the response Rob!
That was my idea! My first project will be the traditonal Blanca tributo to Santos, so I can learn the basics of a Guitarra. In my understanding Hernández was to the flamenco what Torres was to the classical, and my first build was a traditional Torres, 9 years ago.
I have the understanding of how a flamenca should work, and the knolage to make my own way through the design of an "ok" bracing pattern, but I recon it would be smarter to replicate the masters works before, to learn from them as much as I can.
About wich pattern from each builder: the one from Esteso that cought my attention was that open 5 struts one, my knolage about Arcángel work is very shallow to be honest, and the Conde that cought my eyes was that on with 7 closed struts, with 5 (almost?) parallel central bars and two angled side ones.
Learning is awesome 
Im aware of the limitations some specs could have upon some of the patterns, but I tought I should exclude the most variables possible, so I have don't the doubt "Are this difference Im feeling coming from the top, or somewhere else?". I will always have on my mind that this "study" will not be the absolute truth, but I hope to learn somthing from it.
The reason why I decided on building Negras is purely practical. Here in Brazil is way esier (and cheaper) to find good quality "negra material" reather than Cypress or other equivalent, tropical country....
So I was thinking:
Tigerwood back and sides
Cedar top
Spanish -cedar neck
Ebony fingerboard
Brw bridge
My first idea was that using spruce would be better, but as money is kind of a limitation I need to sell them as soon as possible after their done, so I tought as cedar opens waaaay faster than Spruce I could have some sort of "study result" sooner. But I would love to hear you guys opinion on that.
Thanks again for the feedback, and I hope I can contribute In some way with this comunity!
And Im very happy that you liked my work!
Cheers!
Edit: spell-check
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Date Jun. 21 2021 3:43:28
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RobF
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RE: Buiding 6 Negras (in reply to R.Almeida)
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Hi Rômulo,
I took some more time to look over your work on the other sites you have. It’s quite impressive. It has a South American character, and it also reminds me somewhat of some of the work done by a Canadian maker, Jeremy Clarke, who apprenticed with my first teacher about fifteen years ago, as well as the work done by Victor Diaz, in Granada, Spain.
At any rate, the decorative inlay, string work, and other touches are really something. Are you using CNC for any of the preparation work or is this all handwork? Also, I’m not sure of the meaning of Atelier, do you work alone or is your operation part of an artisanal co-operative with other makers involved, as well?
All in all, I think you’re a very creative and talented person and I’m looking forward to following your work during the next semestre. Hopefully, you can get the plans you want, or other suitable plans, although digital form might be a challenge. I suspect some people are reluctant to digitize their plans because they are worried about theft.
Best,
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Date Jun. 22 2021 9:34:10
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R.Almeida
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RE: Buiding 6 Negras (in reply to R.Almeida)
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I'm feel so glad that you guys liked my work! I'm always learning and trying to improve.
About the paper plans, I too feel that way! Paper is so much more than just bytes...
But in a practical sense digital is aways better, a more secure way to store.
Anyways, Im going to end up buying them in paper, for a lack of options. But I could never ask other people that spend their money to spare their time and send me pictures of their own paper plans!
Its a good investment that Im willing to do!
About my work:
I pretty traditional, despite the "modern" look and feel of my instruments. Most of my work is done by hand, mostly without powertools, except for the usual ones like Thickness Sander (wich I just bought and didnt use yet  ), Drillpress, Router and Bandsaw.
But I always prefer the manual work, power tools speed up the process but they also speed up the mistakes hahahaha
I work solo, I have study the craft in a brazilian university, UFPR.
"Atelier" is commonly used here in brazil to distinguish when the work done by the "shop" is mostly handcraft.
Thanks a lot for the response!
and I will keep this thread up to date as I build this batch of Negras.
I will start wroking on them first thing 2022
This semestre Ill build the traditonal Blanca and the modern Negra. I will post the progress on an different thread!
cheers mates!
Ole!
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www.instagram.com/almeidaluteria
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