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RE: Can a white man play the blues?
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Fluknu
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RE: Can a white man play the blues? (in reply to Ricardo)
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I've been learning a lot by reading this thread. I haven't the knowledge to say anything about the ethymology of the word Flamenco, so this discussion was just an amazing experience. There are two discussions intertwined, and they are connected for sure, but also separate. As Morante said, really amazing how the particular setting of a Forum allows a discussion to developp (Facebook's settings does not foster such developpments). For me, the forum setting is way more aligned to human thought than any other cyber plateform. So I'm gratefull for this place to allow that kind of developpment. As for the white man blues thing, and then the cultural appropriation and so on, I think the answer is quite clear. When the music is good....some people shout "Olai". When it happens in a classical concert, your neighbour makes a "huuuuuu" kind of noise", looses his gripp and then he puts his cravatte straight. In a jazz concert, people close their eyes and tap their feets, with a big smile on their face. Olai....!!! When the high-life is good, people dance all night. When kids beat woods and stones in your garden, with sheer energy and something happens, you go like, "Wooaw" If some people can't get the beauty of a a music, because their minds are bugged by cultural garbage, that's their problem. Be it white, black, orange. It's nothing new. It has happened since...(Sorry , no references). That word, "Olai" or "olé", is what gets my interest. I think it's a gut uttering that happens, when music is not music anymore, but more of a spiritual experience of connectedness, play and joy....in the midst of sorrow. So where does the word Olé come from. Allah? Allahu? No idea. Just a question. Plus in the end it doesn't really matter, cause it would be uttered a different way somwehere else. But still. One thing is sure, Tino can play the blues, and better than many blacks. That was a koan...
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Date May 1 2021 20:23:40
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BarkellWH
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RE: Can a white man play the blues? (in reply to devilhand)
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Sorry you're brain-washed by eurocentric ideology. Take an example of Islamic world. Keep in mind it's also valid for other non-european worlds. Don't believe everything you read in english. "... eurocentrism extends to trivialize and marginalize the philosophies, scientific contributions, cultures, and other additional facets of the Islamic world" Edguerin is correct. Ole' may have been derived from "Allah," but it has not been conclusively demonstrated as a fact. There are other possibilities. On the other hand, the Spanish term "Ojala'," meaning "hopefully," is derived directly from the Arabic term "Insha'allah," meaning "God willing." Just offered as an example of etymological possibility vs. fact. You shouldn't confuse the two. If I were you, devilhand, I would be a little careful about categorizing those with whom you disagree as being "brainwashed by Eurocentric ideology." Contrary to your categorical pronouncements, more supple minds recognize that some issues, including some dealing with linguistics and etymology, have yet to be conclusively settled. Bill
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Date May 2 2021 13:39:50
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